Raven68 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Not just me but surely this would effect FPS loading etc? ... OMG!! DCS: Noah's Ark?? Intel i5-9600K @ 3.7GHz Gigabyte Z370XP SLI Mobo G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 2070 8GB 256-Bit GDDR6(Assume the latest driver version) Thermaltake Water 3.0 Certified Liquid Cooling System Windows 10 Professional Oculus Rift-S /TrackIR 5 in case VR dies Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog w/ Thrustmaster T-Flight Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 DCS water world :D [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrustvector Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 lol, yea I have had this too, but not as bad as you, landing is gonna be a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaman Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Dears, I have just downloaded release version of DCS World 2.5 installed and tested Quick Start Ka-50 runway start mission. While it was loading, I went to make and eat quickly supper, used restroom, go again to fridge and bring a beer... and it was still loading. Upon finally entering the pit. I have taken off to fly only the race track pattern around the runway. I have experienced stuttering, some were few seconds long (basically a freeze). After few minutes stutters reduced. Machine is ROG ASUS GL703 SCAR EDITION 17inch. It has 16GB of RAM. Please remember that was a Quick Start Ka-50 runway hot start mission. Nothing fancy. 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted April 11, 2018 Author ED Team Share Posted April 11, 2018 Dears, I have just downloaded release version of DCS World 2.5 installed and tested Quick Start Ka-50 runway start mission. While it was loading, I went to make and eat quickly supper, used restroom, go again to fridge and bring a beer... and it was still loading. Upon finally entering the pit. I have taken off to fly only the race track pattern around the runway. I have experienced stuttering, some were few seconds long (basically a freeze). After few minutes stutters reduced. Machine is ROG ASUS GL703 SCAR EDITION 17inch. It has 16GB of RAM. Please remember that was a Quick Start Ka-50 runway hot start mission. Nothing fancy. First load is always a decent amount of work, but if you tried it again, you would see it load much faster, also, do you have DCS on a SSD drive? makes a bit of difference as well. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1Combat Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 SSD's make a ton of difference. Also... you can get 128GB SSD's pretty cheap these days. Even the slow, extra cheap ones will be a great deal better than a platter drive. Nvidia RTX3080 (HP Reverb), AMD 3800x Asus Prime X570P, 64GB G-Skill RipJaw 3600 Saitek X-65F and Fanatec Club-Sport Pedals (Using VJoy and Gremlin to remap Throttle and Clutch into a Rudder axis) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Черный Дракул Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Luckily that version is still available to you, but ED wants to keep pushing DCS into the future, this means specs and demands on our systems will continue to climb. I imagine they will stabilize now that 2.5 is out, and they will continue to optimize, but some machines will need to be upgraded, its just part of the world of gaming. Well, "world of gaming" it surely isn't. The only thing my rig is lacking is 2GB VRAM for the up to date "world of gaming". As far as I remember, DCS have always had troubles with optimization. The only exceptions are A-10C and pre-1.5.6. It has always hurt DCS playerbase. As for now, it would be nice to check if it won't scourge that playerbase. Like I said, not everyone knows how to enable 1.5.6. in their Steam launcher and why should they do that. Remember: when you push too far, you fall out of that window (see "planking"). I just hope that when DM update comes, it will happen to all versions, including 1.5.6 and 1.5.8. They are not vulching... they are STRAFING!!! :smartass::thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWillis Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 The 1.5 branch is no longer supported, so prepare to be disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagrat Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Well, "world of gaming" it surely isn't. The only thing my rig is lacking is 2GB VRAM for the up to date "world of gaming". As far as I remember, DCS have always had troubles with optimization. The only exceptions are A-10C and pre-1.5.6. It has always hurt DCS playerbase. As for now, it would be nice to check if it won't scourge that playerbase. Like I said, not everyone knows how to enable 1.5.6. in their Steam launcher and why should they do that. Remember: when you push too far, you fall out of that window (see "planking"). I just hope that when DM update comes, it will happen to all versions, including 1.5.6 and 1.5.8. From my experience over a long time of flying flight/combat flight simulations it was always necessary to have a decent, as in as good as you can get for money, PC to go somewhere near "high" settings. If you wanted all bells and whistles it meant to wait another year or two, until the necessary hardware was actually available. Compared to the 90ies DCS is a real treat. With normal high end hardware we are able to play more or less with everything on high in 1080p. Only extreme resolutions like 4k and beyond or VR-Headsets, require extreme performance hardware like a GTX 1080Ti and 4.8 GHz OC i7 CPUs. If you take into account, the visibility and rendering distances, modeled to a decent detail over heights from 50ft through 1000 ft to 50k ft and it looks great and believable over that range,the new ED Graphics Engine is doing a great job, already. As said above 1.5.8 and previous will no longer get updates. Similar to a Playstation 4 game that will not run on a Playstation 2. Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VIRPIL CM 50 Stick & Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kokomakak Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Going back to 1.5 does not make sense... I tried doing that every time I got frustrated with 2.5 but going to 1.5 (although more stable) feel like being stuck in limbo or purgatory). I decided to stick with 2.5 and ride thru the bugs with ED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted April 12, 2018 Author ED Team Share Posted April 12, 2018 Well, "world of gaming" it surely isn't. The only thing my rig is lacking is 2GB VRAM for the up to date "world of gaming". As far as I remember, DCS have always had troubles with optimization. The only exceptions are A-10C and pre-1.5.6. It has always hurt DCS playerbase. As for now, it would be nice to check if it won't scourge that playerbase. Like I said, not everyone knows how to enable 1.5.6. in their Steam launcher and why should they do that. Remember: when you push too far, you fall out of that window (see "planking"). I just hope that when DM update comes, it will happen to all versions, including 1.5.6 and 1.5.8. Older versions will not receive updates. That is why they are old versions. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted April 12, 2018 Author ED Team Share Posted April 12, 2018 Going back to 1.5 does not make sense... I tried doing that every time I got frustrated with 2.5 but going to 1.5 (although more stable) feel like being stuck in limbo or purgatory). I decided to stick with 2.5 and ride thru the bugs with ED. I use this analogy all the time, but ED is renovating our house while we are living in it, we can either stay here and step over the occasional problem, or we can go stay in a hotel until its ready. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 1.5 Compared to 2.5 is an Econo Lodge... Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlidfan Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I use this analogy all the time, but ED is renovating our house while we are living in it, we can either stay here and step over the occasional problem, or we can go stay in a hotel until its ready. Not a bad analogy, except ED's workers keep jumping around from one room to another and none of the rooms seem to get finished. I get that it is complicated but it can still be frustrating when you just want to enjoy the sim. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagrat Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Not a bad analogy, except ED's workers keep jumping around from one room to another and none of the rooms seem to get finished. I get that it is complicated but it can still be frustrating when you just want to enjoy the sim.Like with a house... You wait for the electrician to finish his job and and move on to the restroom instead of putting wallpaper on. We are lucky unlike in a house renovation ED is in charge of the whole work and does not need to rely on timely delivery/execution of external contractors, for most of the work. Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VIRPIL CM 50 Stick & Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlidfan Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Like with a house... You wait for the electrician to finish his job and and move on to the restroom instead of putting wallpaper on. We are lucky unlike in a house renovation ED is in charge of the whole work and does not need to rely on timely delivery/execution of external contractors, for most of the work. Yeah, I get it, though I did have a fence built at the same time the interior painting was done. Then came the carpet and tile folks. ;) It was still frustrating. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 If you own a house, renovation never stops once you begin. I like this analogy, it fits quite well !:thumbup: Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjacobsen Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 If you own a house, renovation never stops once you begin. I like this analogy, it fits quite well !:thumbup: Agree - but that still means that finishing one room at the time is the most efficient way. When all rooms are done -You can start over. It´s ineffective to start on the bathroom, but then in the middle of it, jump to the bedroom just because, what happens there is more fun. i7-10700K 3.8-5.1Ghz, 32GB RAM, RTX 4070 12GB, 1 x 1 TB SSD, 2 x 2TB SSD2 TB, 1 x 2 TBHDD 7200 RPM, Win10 Home 64bit, Meta Quest 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davee Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Agree - but that still means that finishing one room at the time is the most efficient way. When all rooms are done -You can start over. It´s ineffective to start on the bathroom, but then in the middle of it, jump to the bedroom just because, what happens there is more fun. Henry Ford would never build a car this way. All electrical in all rooms, then vapour barier in all rooms, drywall in all rooms etc. etc. That is wholistically the best way to finish a complete project. But, the problem is the contractors being ready on time each time. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaman Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 First load is always a decent amount of work, but if you tried it again, you would see it load much faster, also, do you have DCS on a SSD drive? makes a bit of difference as well. You are right. Things got better now. I have been today as guest on 2nd seat in Gazelle very dynamic virtual air show training that is being prepared for September this year, and no stutters or freezes whatsoever. I shall move DCS to system drive SSD maybe end next week and report back. 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagrat Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Agree - but that still means that finishing one room at the time is the most efficient way. When all rooms are done -You can start over. It´s ineffective to start on the bathroom, but then in the middle of it, jump to the bedroom just because, what happens there is more fun.The problem is, as the plumbing in the kitchen is done you have to shut the water, that means your bathroom and shower plus the guest toilet is out of order, as well, so you need a backup solution for the toilet in case the kitchen plumbing runs into issues. Or you need to add more work to prevent leakage in the kitchen in the middle of a three day work, to make the bathroom work while the kitchen is done. Add electricity running through a central circuit board with one circuitbraker for multiple electrics, like light in the kitchen plus the fridge and hot water in the bathroom giving additional challenges... Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VIRPIL CM 50 Stick & Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 OK Guys, Getting off Topic Now. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 What I'm still most surprised about is that ED hasn't fixed the loading screen in this last beta->release patch (so the loading screen would stay there until the low fps are gone in the multiplayer lobbies what we currently suffer from). Would mean a longer loading screen but then as soon as we see the lobby we could instantly join any slot. DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramstein Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 SSD's make a ton of difference. Also... you can get 128GB SSD's pretty cheap these days. Even the slow, extra cheap ones will be a great deal better than a platter drive. A new 240GB SSD (mine is M.2) cost me $70 shipped). I had no choice, DCS 2.5 had to have it.. for me.... or else I would have had to shelve it,,, for online play. it is now working really good. Not great, but really good. ASUS Strix Z790-H, i9-13900, WartHog HOTAS and MFG Crosswind G.Skill 64 GB Ram, 2TB SSD EVGA Nvidia RTX 2080-TI 55" Sony OLED TV, Oculus VR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog_No32 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) I use this analogy all the time, but ED is renovating our house while we are living in it, we can either stay here and step over the occasional problem, or we can go stay in a hotel until its ready. Very good analogy. I still stayed in the lower floor (1.5.8 ) for now because I just don‘t have the right dress (hardware) required for the house-warming party going on in the second floor (2.5). But just today my new shoes (additional 8GB RAM) arrived which hopefully will mean I am no longer that much underdressed to have a look at the party upstairs. I understand a new house (or floor) is not perfect on day one, but hey, it‘s still my house community here so I certainly won‘t go to the hotel just because the 2nd floor is being fine-tuned. And still I have the 1st floor which was great for the last 8 years for me, it didn‘t became that bad just overnight. Edited April 13, 2018 by Hog_No32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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