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Old 12-16-2008, 05:13 PM   #11
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Towed decoys on the 35 would attract unwanted atention the the plane defeating the whole point of being stealth.
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Old 12-16-2008, 05:14 PM   #12
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Gripen is a bit expensive but 35 is considerably more, plus there might be complications regarding maintaining the stealth skin. Not all users can take care of it lovingly. Many airforces end up with their planes with paint flaking and surface scratches, wear etc.
Not all users have enough money to maintain (take care of) it properly !
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Old 12-16-2008, 06:10 PM   #13
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As far as I know the USAF programs don't have any intentions of using the Canard Wings on Aircraft. I agree with not using them. It appears both the Europeans and Russians like the Canard wings. I find that they need too much fly by wire input for stability. The USAF fighters, even the F-22 and F-35 apparently can still Outmanuever aircraft that use the Canard.

But, since I am not a pilot (I have flown a piper cub) and a USAF Veteran, I have many hours in and around many aircraft and used to build stunt and combat scaled aircraft when I was youger. (up to 4ft. wingspan with 60ft. wire control and handles, these were before r/c control with engines). other than that, why is it that some countries use it and others don't?
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Old 12-16-2008, 10:32 PM   #14
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Hello,

I think that delta + canard design is something specific to Swedish design features. Besides, one of the basic requirements made by Swedish Air Force was that planes should be STOL capable and the canard design is the best one to achieve this without compromising the aerodynamic smoothness and maneuverability. This design provides more lift, because both canards and wings both produce a positive (upwards) lift.

I'd like to correct your opinion about thinking that deltas with canards require some extra attention regarding fly-by-wire system; in fact, for instance on the Gripen, the canards work as a de-stabilizer in order to make the aircraft more maneuverable and responsive. If canards go afloat, the aircraft actually becomes naturally stable.
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Old 12-16-2008, 10:39 PM   #15
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All that F135 engine power made a noisy F-35, 4 times louder than a F-16:
http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publ...F100016797.php
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Old 12-16-2008, 11:54 PM   #16
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Old 12-17-2008, 02:17 AM   #17
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The JSF uses a 48000lbs engine. That, coupled with a nominal combat load that puts it in the 45000lbs class, gives it a better TWR than an F-15C. This only gets better when the aircraft sheds some fuel and gains even more in TWR. In a turning fight, it fights in a clean configuration, thus making its effective TWR even -better- because it doesn't suffer from stores drag.
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The JSF uses a 48000lbs engine.
It's "40.000+ lbs" officially. Do you refer to some new data?
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Old 12-17-2008, 04:16 AM   #19
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Yes. I refer to some new data. It's 48000lbs.
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I think we have all learn while flying in Black Shark, that just because an aircraft can carry "x" amount of weight (fuel or weapons) it does not mean that it should. I try to fly in Black Shark as light as possible so the Helicopter is easier to handle and fly, I am sure the F-35 would do the same. What I mean is, F-35 may be able to fly fully loaded, and it may be a 48000lbs (give or take) aircraft, but it does not mean that it will carry all that weight in combat, all the time and during the entire flight.
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