Ex display computer for sale opinions?

Keen for any opinions. They want $1600 Australian.

Cpu: Ryzen 7 1700X 8-Core Unlocked up to 3.80GHz (New)

Cpu Cooler: AMD Wraith PRISM RGB Cooler (New)

Motherboard: ASRock X370 Fatal1ty Gaming X Motherboard (New)

Memory: 16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000MHz DDR4 Ram (New)

Graphic Card: Gigabyte GTX 1070 8GB OC VR/4K/DX12 Ready (New)

Ssd: 130GB Kingston Solid State Drive (Windows 10)

Hdd: 1TB Sata Hard Drive (New)

Wifi: Wireless Adapter (New)

Psu: Aerocool Integrator 600W 80 Plus Power Supply (New)

Case: NZXT S340 White Gaming Case (New)

The Aerocool psu is a Tier 4 - Not Recommend for stressful situations. May not be able to put out full rated power above room temperature, and may slightly fail to meet ATX specs. Low cost Chinese sourced components used in the build.

The 130GB SSD is too small for Windows and DCS. Any SSD below 240-250GB are not recommended for performance, durability and reliability.

... Any SSD below 240-250GB are not recommended for performance, durability and reliability.

I agree that the SSD size is too small, however I doubt that the size impacts on the performance, durability & reliability of the drive.

By the formula: TBW= Capacity(GB) X NAND P/E cycles / WAF

As is known that there is an OP zone (Over-provisioning) in a SSD drive, it takes about 7% of the capacity, so the real capacity you could use is about 93%.

It's not a bad deal from what I can see, if it is still very new?

To build the same PC would be around $1900 after a very very quick look. I mostly use MSY for my parts and comparing cost when building a new PC. MSY are normally the cheapest systems or parts, there stores are in industrial estates around Australia to keep the PC parts cost down for the consumer.

www.msy.com.au/home.php

Full parts list PDF

http://cdn.msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf

Upgrades?

Psu: Corsair 80+ Gold Full Modular RM650X $153

Ssd: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB $116

Ssd: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB $206

Keep the 120GB for just Windows and grab an extra Samsung 850 EVO 500GB?? I'm at 100GB with DCS now, NTTR, Normandy, Georgia. If you have any other large Sims or games? Grab the 500 perhaps.

You could show MSY the system specs and see what they could do? If you live near one that is.

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The Aerocool psu is a Tier 4 - Not Recommend for stressful situations. May not be able to put out full rated power above room temperature, and may slightly fail to meet ATX specs. Low cost Chinese sourced components used in the build.

 

 

The 130GB SSD is too small for Windows and DCS. Any SSD below 240-250GB are not recommended for performance, durability and reliability.

What does that mean? No good for Running DCS at a decent rate?

The other concern I have is that this is Australia. Cooling matters.

It's not a bad deal from what I can see, if it is still very new?

 

To build the same PC would be around $1900 after a very very quick look. I mostly use MSY for my parts and comparing cost when building a new PC. MSY are normally the cheapest systems or parts, there stores are in industrial estates around Australia to keep the PC parts cost down for the consumer.

 

www.msy.com.au/home.php

 

Full parts list PDF

http://cdn.msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf

 

Upgrades?

Psu: Corsair 80+ Gold Full Modular RM650X $153

Ssd: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB $116

Ssd: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB $206

 

Keep the 120GB for just Windows and grab an extra Samsung 850 EVO 500GB?? I'm at 100GB with DCS now, NTTR, Normandy, Georgia. If you have any other large Sims or games? Grab the 500 perhaps.

 

You could show MSY the system specs and see what they could do? If you live near one that is.

 

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Sorry. So you would effectively have two ssd plus a hard drive?

The power supply is a very low quality unit. Expect to purchase a good one in 2 years or less.

Windows and stuff are less than 100GB. DCS is around 100GB. You need another SSD.

The power supply is a very low quality unit. Expect to purchase a good one in 2 years or less.

 

Windows and stuff are less than 100GB. DCS is around 100GB. You need another SSD.

I wasn’t aware you could have more than two ssd.

I thought generally you had your ssd then a harddrive

I wasn’t aware you could have more than two ssd.

 

I thought generally you had your ssd then a harddrive

The motherboard ASRock X370 Fatal1ty Gaming X Motherboard

6 SATA3, 1 Ultra M.2 (PCIe Gen3 x4 & SATA3), 1 M.2 (PCIe Gen2 x2 & SATA3)

You could even put DCS on the M.2 drive if you want even more speed:D

That's want I run, Samsung 960 EVO M.2, little more expensive tho.

I also run 1 x Samsung 850 EVO 500G SSD, 1 x Samsung 850 EVO 250G SSD.

Like this example below, on the back of the MB, nice and neat not even seen, they plug into 2 out of 6 SATA3 connections. If I remember correctly the M.2 drive takes/disables 2 of the 6 SATA3 connections to run the M.2 at full speed.

I don't like how they cut corners on the power supply on otherwise a good system, I sent $250 on getting a good psu seen here. So she's nice and stable and can rule out the psu.

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All OK but the PSU as Demon said, exchange it asap or have it changed before you buy.

250GB or bigger, maybe they can change the SSD too, or put an additional one in. I would pick a NVMe Samsung 970 Evo 512GB..or if that is too much cash, get a 960 Evo 250GB. Both are excellent and the perf. difference is hard to tell on Desktop and DCS.

The motherboard ASRock X370 Fatal1ty Gaming X Motherboard

 

6 SATA3, 1 Ultra M.2 (PCIe Gen3 x4 & SATA3), 1 M.2 (PCIe Gen2 x2 & SATA3)

 

You could even put DCS on the M.2 drive if you want even more speed:D

 

That's want I run, Samsung 960 EVO M.2, little more expensive tho.

 

 

I also run 1 x Samsung 850 EVO 500G SSD, 1 x Samsung 850 EVO 250G SSD.

 

Like this example below, on the back of the MB, nice and neat not even seen, they plug into 2 out of 6 SATA3 connections. If I remember correctly the M.2 drive takes/disables 2 of the 6 SATA3 connections to run the M.2 at full speed.

 

 

I don't like how they cut corners on the power supply on otherwise a good system, I sent $250 on getting a good psu seen here. So she's nice and stable and can rule out the psu.

 

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Righto perhaps I offer them $1400 or so

Do people still actually talk about SSD lifecycles? That's a long since disproven bs worry lol Unless you get a lemon, your SSD will last until you move on to whatever replaces them :p

Power supply Corsair TX Series are very good.

By the formula page 12: https://www.samsung.com/us/business/oem-solutions/pdfs/SSD-Sales-Presentation.pdf

Smaller capacity SSD has smaller (TBW) total amount of data that can be write before it fail.

Cheap SSD with cheap controller has bigger WAF (Bytes written to NAND/Bytes written from Host). Page 10:

Cheap SSD has cheap NAND types (low P/E cycles). TLC for Kingston, MLC for Samsung. Page 8:

Same guy seems to be selling a slightly cheaper rig for $1500 but with an i5 and larger ssd storage:

Cpu: Coffee Lake i5-8600K 6-Core Unlocked up to 4.30GHz (New)

Cpu Cooler: ID Cooling Blue Ring Aftermarket Cooler (New)

Motherboard: ASRock Z370 PRO 4 Gaming Motherboard (New)

Memory: 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4 Ram (New)

Graphic Card: MSI GTX 1060 6GB Armour OC VR/4K/DX12 Ready (New)

Ssd: 250GB Samsung Evo Solid State Drive (Windows 10)

Hdd: 2TB Seagate Sata Hard Drive (New)

Wifi: Wireless Adapter (New)

Psu: Corsair 450W 80 Plus Power Supply (New)

Case: Corsair Carbide 400C White Gaming Case (New)

This one has a better CPU (8600K), excellent SSD (Samsung 250GB), but the 1070 (recommended system) is more suitable for DCS.

The power supply is like... A 4 cylinder in a big truck. He will heat up and the lack of available power can damage the components. Notably the video card.

Righto cheers.

I’ll keep looking and come back to you blokes with more rig ideas

way to go !

Another here: $1500 Australian.

PC Specs:

Cpu: i7 6700K

Gpu: Asus Strix GTX 1070 8GB

Cooling: Captain 240EX

Motherboard: MSI PC Mate

Ram: G.Skill Trident Z 16GB

Storage: WD Blue 2 TB Samsung 750 Evo 250 GB

Power Supply: Corsair RM650X

Cables: Power Cable

This CPU is OLD and the PSU again is not the best. The first deal was better imho.

but to be true, either one will work and a PSU can be changed and a SSD can be added.

Decide by your funds, both have the same GPU and that is the big limiter, not the CPU.

I thought cpu and ram was the bigger deal nowadays with dcs?

actually, it's a cat & mouse run but I will explain.

In order to feed any GPU, you need a certain amount of CPU power. The faster you get with your GPU, the faster your CPU has to become !!! IF !!! you strive for maximum FPS.

If you, on the other hand, strive for maximum LOD and resolution, the extra GPU power does not need to be matched by the CPU in that large extend as for more fps.

What does this mean.

If you now get 70 fps steady, few drops here and there, but stable 70 mostly, you need to NOTE your GPU usage and CPU usage ( that ONE DCS core, out of many in use ). Look WHICH ONE of those two is at 99%, that is your limiter or bottleneck.

If your GPU is at 99% you could use a better GPU, to what extend will be answered by your CPU usage graph. The free ressources left can be exchanged into more fps with a faster GPU, until the CPU hits it 99%. At that point, you have to look at your new & fat GPU again, if you never get above 85% usage, yeah, you have 15% headroom for more fps or LOD. FPS need more CPU, LOD most likely not or much lesser CPU than for more fps.

The key is to balance both so that either one tops out at 90+%. That is then a well balanced system with no wasted/reserved money in some parts.

Soon, with fatter GPU's, we will hit a wall in DCS unless we move to Vulkan.

I would bet on that it will become more GPU tied and needs rather "more" cores than "faster" cores in the future after Vulkan arrives. Sure, those more cores must not be slow as a duck.

You then need plenty cores at a good speed but the race for 5.x GHz will be less dramatic imho.

This would be good to happen as it would qualify more common systems to run DCS well.

Thanks. What’s Vulcan?