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Old 01-08-2019, 07:56 PM   #1611
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did this p-47 keep dogfighting? i guess not. but at least it still has 3/4th of its wings.

in dcs we can observe spits not trying to go home, but keep dogfighting with 1complete wing shot off, doing all sorts of manouvers on a daily basis.
and sometimes even see spits dogfighting with 0 wings. is this a bug in the FM in your view?
Have you posted a bug report about this including a track with this issue? I dont see it in the bug section. Seems it could also be a sync issue with the DM and multiplayer, regardless I cant reproduce a flyable Spitfire with a missing wing or both missing.

I look forward to the report. Also, please keep this thread on topic, it's about the P-47.
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Old 01-08-2019, 08:35 PM   #1612
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Issue usually occurs in MP. Tracks are horrendously unreliable in SP as it is but the MP ones are even worse. Ill try and keep an eye out when I fly but unless it happens on the first flight after joining a server, less than a few minutes after takeoff its unlikely that it will be replicated in a track. As far as Sync issues its possible but every time Ive had it everyone I was flying with saw exactly the same. Maybe discrepancies between visual and actual DM.......?
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Old 01-08-2019, 08:49 PM   #1613
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Old 01-08-2019, 08:57 PM   #1614
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Maybe discrepancies between visual and actual DM.......?
Its possible but then it should be pretty easy to reproduce in single player, and I have yet to see it. If you can confirm the with the pilot of the Spitfire that he is indeed missing a wing(s) that would be good too.
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Old 01-09-2019, 09:36 AM   #1615
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If you wanna get together in multiplayer some time and use me as a target for testing, would happily swallow my pride and get minengeschossed repeatedly for the sake of R&D!

Personally, I've heard of similar reports but never experienced it first hand; I've had partial wing loss online from a collision with a 109 in Burning Skies, but in that case I can attest it certainly did adversely affect the flying characteristics of the aeroplane and I subsequently crashed and burned on attempting to land at 120mph.
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Old 01-09-2019, 01:45 PM   #1616
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I managed to escape in a FW-190 with only one wing.

I misjudged a bounce and sliced straight through the poor chap. He exploded while I carried on at around 600kph. It took some serious controller contortions but I managed to run back to friendly territory. I couldn't manoeuvre, though, and when I dropped my gear and attempted to line up for finals the thing just dropped out of the sky.
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Old 01-11-2019, 11:32 AM   #1617
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Speaking of which....

(no sound I'm afraid)



This was caused by a collision during target practice. There didn't seem to be any drag penalty and it only needed some mild opposite aileron to keep it flying straight. The landing could've been better but I like to believe it was because the starboard undercarriage was damaged when the wing got torn off. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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Old 01-11-2019, 12:04 PM   #1618
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Speaking of which....

(no sound I'm afraid)

This was caused by a collision during target practice. There didn't seem to be any drag penalty and it only needed some mild opposite aileron to keep it flying straight. The landing could've been better but I like to believe it was because the starboard undercarriage was damaged when the wing got torn off. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Sorry to say but that's not "wingless", you lost the outer wingtip and the aileron, which does any good to flying performances but still allow to fly. You say it was "without doing nothing" but that's not true, the landing approach is clearly (as we can see airspeed) performed in a higher than normal airspeed which happens to be the correct procedure in those events, did you on purpose or just by chance? You can try anytime, break a wingtip by collision and make that same final approach at 200-180Km/H as you would in a pristine aircraft, then come tell us how easy it was to land and how deep in ground you ended.


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Old 01-11-2019, 12:29 PM   #1619
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I think you missed the sarcasm in my post
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Old 01-11-2019, 12:37 PM   #1620
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Sorry to say but that's not "wingless", you lost the outer wingtip and the aileron, which does any good to flying performances but still allow to fly. You say it was "without doing nothing" but that's not true, the landing approach is clearly (as we can see airspeed) performed in a higher than normal airspeed which happens to be the correct procedure in those events, did you on purpose or just by chance? You can try anytime, break a wingtip by collision and make that same final approach at 200-180Km/H as you would in a pristine aircraft, then come tell us how easy it was to land and how deep in ground you ended.
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You're right that this isn't an example of "wingless", but rather it shows a "Wingtip-loss on one side".

I can't see where Lixma claims that this occurs "without doing nothing". The video has no audio for me though, so maybe he says it in the audio?
Lixma merely wrties in his post that he observes that there "didn't seem to be any drag penalty" from this. He clearly observes some changes (such as the need for additional aileron input during level flight).
However, the video does NOT show whether or not there is a drag penalty. In oder to see that we need a video with BEFORE and AFTER the event, with the same engine settings and attitude applied. Only then can wee see if there is an airspeed or altitude loss to compensate for the damage and assymetrical flight.
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