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Old 06-26-2019, 09:17 AM   #71
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And no, this lack of understanding of basic physics dates well before 2004 and it was always an issue which was expressed... it's just you who were unaware of it.
I don't think it was a lack of understanding, but lack of technology to model the view correctly, as from a pure schematic point of view, the bar is "correct".

Maybe it got lost in translation, but why is a compromise not an option?

After all the current state is from a pilots perspective just as false as the proposed compromises are to the schematics.
I think this would end the dispute until the rendering of refraction is actually an option and all aircraft get it modelled.
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:35 PM   #72
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I Hope for a compromise!
This sight we have ist a no Go!
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Old 06-26-2019, 05:11 PM   #73
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I don't think it was a lack of understanding, but lack of technology to model the view correctly, as from a pure schematic point of view, the bar is "correct".

Maybe it got lost in translation, but why is a compromise not an option?

After all the current state is from a pilots perspective just as false as the proposed compromises are to the schematics.
I think this would end the dispute until the rendering of refraction is actually an option and all aircraft get it modelled.
I am all for a compromise as that is what a simulation is, afterall. Revisited 3d model to simulate what pilot sees is good enough and will be as a whole closer to reality. What pilot sees is part of the whole package and is as important in recreating a plane's experience as is its FM (which was, is, and will be always a compromise; yet people ignore that fact for some reason).
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Old 06-26-2019, 05:30 PM   #74
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I am all for a compromise as that is what a simulation is, afterall. Revisited 3d model to simulate what pilot sees is good enough and will be as a whole closer to reality. What pilot sees is part of the whole package and is as important in recreating a plane's experience as is its FM (which was, is, and will be always a compromise; yet people ignore that fact for some reason).
+1. By the way the real windscreen looks different in relation with POV height, so a 3d model showing fidelity to what pilot sees when using the visor for real will be a perfect compromise.

These pictures are not from our model but windscreen is same armored one.

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Old 06-26-2019, 07:13 PM   #75
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You kidding, right? Even with the refraction represented you would still see the aeroplane nose and that's all . If you are serious saying you don't see were are you going just because of a tiny bit in the lower part of the frame you have more serious vision problems than the Fw190 bar .



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Yes that's exactly what I was saying!



I want to look forward at the horizon but instead I see a brown metal bar.
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Old 06-26-2019, 07:18 PM   #76
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Here yet another image that shows what we should see

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