wilbur81 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) Many of you have probably seen this Finnish Hornet demo on YouTube: That negative G push-over at 0:43 is impressive! Anyone pulled that off in our DCS Hornet? If so, what was your IAS at the moment of forward stick? Edited August 14, 2019 by wilbur81 i7 8700K @ Stock - Win10 64 - 32 RAM - RTX 3080 12gb OC - 55 inch 4k Display Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moafuleum Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 OT: it is a finnish hornet btw ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbot Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 By the way, the "Swiss" Hornet is Finnish. ;) A-10A, A-10C, A-10C II, AV-8B, F-5E, F-16C, F/A-18C, F-86F, Yak-52, Nevada, Persian Gulf, Syria, Supercarrier, Combined Arms, FW 190 A-8, FW 190 D-9, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, Normandy + WWII Assets Pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caffeine_High Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 You meant Finnish? ***HEY LOOK HERE*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbrz Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) That negative G push-over at 0:43 is impressive! Anyone pulled that off in our DCS Hornet? If so, what was your IAS? Yes. Just tried and the maximum negative G load I can achieve is at ~330kias. Climbing with a pitch attitude of around 60deg and pushing the nose to level flight results in a close to -3G push over with a similar pitch rate. Edited August 14, 2019 by bbrz edited after doing a few tests i7-7700K 4.2GHz, 16GB, GTX 1070 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (Swiss Hornets have a FCS Upgrade as far as I am aware so what they can pull of might not be possible with ours) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilbur81 Posted August 14, 2019 Author Share Posted August 14, 2019 By the way, the "Swiss" Hornet is Finnish. ;) Yikes!! My bad. Sorry, Fins. :) i7 8700K @ Stock - Win10 64 - 32 RAM - RTX 3080 12gb OC - 55 inch 4k Display Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilbur81 Posted August 14, 2019 Author Share Posted August 14, 2019 Yes. Just tried and the maximum negative G load I can achieve is at ~330kias. Climbing with a pitch attitude of around 60deg and pushing the nose to level flight results in a close to -3G push over with a similar pitch rate. Sheesh... at 330 kts? That seems pretty fast to get that kind of negative pitch...doesn't look that fast in the video; I'd think that kind of nose rate at that speed would make the pilot's eyes explode! i7 8700K @ Stock - Win10 64 - 32 RAM - RTX 3080 12gb OC - 55 inch 4k Display Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5e EVC Chappy Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Yes. Just tried and the maximum negative G load I can achieve is at ~330kias. Climbing with a pitch attitude of around 60deg and pushing the nose to level flight results in a close to -3G push over with a similar pitch rate.Sounds painful. Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk 5e Escadre Virtuelle du Canada / 5 Virtual Wing of Canada Intel i9-9900KF - 8 Cores/16 Threads - 3,6/5,0GHZ / 48GB RAM / Crucial P3 Plus 2TB 3D NAND NVMe M.2 SSD / Crucial P5 1TB 3D NAND NVMe Internal SSD / WD Gold 2TB Enterprise Class HDD / NVIDIA RTX 3090 / HP Reverb G2 / HOTAS Warthog / F/A-18C Hornet HOTAS ADD-ON Grip / WINWING Super Taurus Throttle / Saitek PRO Flight Combat Rudder Pedals / Win 10 Pro Modules owned: P-51D, F-86F, A-10C, M-2000C, F-5E, F-15C, F/A-18C, F-16C Maps: NTTR, Persian Gulf, Syria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbrz Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Most aerobatic planes are designed to at least +10/-10G (the MXS to +14/-14G) and -6Gs aren't unusual during an aerobatic sequence. That's really painful. i7-7700K 4.2GHz, 16GB, GTX 1070 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilbur81 Posted August 15, 2019 Author Share Posted August 15, 2019 Most aerobatic planes are designed to at least +10/-10G (the MXS to +14/-14G) and -6Gs aren't unusual during an aerobatic sequence. That's really painful. True for an extra 300, but the Hornet doesn't do those negative g numbers, if I understand correctly. i7 8700K @ Stock - Win10 64 - 32 RAM - RTX 3080 12gb OC - 55 inch 4k Display Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbrz Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Of course not. That was just a comment because Chappy197606 mentioned that -3G must be painful. i7-7700K 4.2GHz, 16GB, GTX 1070 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBS17 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Many of you have probably seen this Finnish Hornet demo on YouTube: That negative G push-over at 0:43 is impressive! Anyone pulled that off in our DCS Hornet? If so, what was your IAS at the moment of forward stick? That is just lowering the nose prior to a pull up and then something else, it is not negative g.:smilewink: [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbrz Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 R U sure? Have you checked the pitch rate? i7-7700K 4.2GHz, 16GB, GTX 1070 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atazar Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 I would not like to have that guy in dog fight in real life as an enemy, but in simulation I would love to:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilbur81 Posted August 17, 2019 Author Share Posted August 17, 2019 That is just lowering the nose prior to a pull up and then something else, it is not negative g.:smilewink: Nonsense. That pushover at 0:43 would absolutely be producing negative g... and be rather uncomfortable. i7 8700K @ Stock - Win10 64 - 32 RAM - RTX 3080 12gb OC - 55 inch 4k Display Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkosmo Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 That is just lowering the nose prior to a pull up and then something else, it is not negative g.:smilewink: Lowering the nose with an acceleration greater than 1g will produce negative a negative g load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBS17 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 You can do all of those moves with the DCS Hornet.:lol: [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Pretty sure Swiss/Finnish Hornets also have solid wings now, which enables higher Gs, plus custom FCS Adjustments. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 If you mean non-foldable with solid wings then you are wrong. Swiss ones can still fold them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preendog Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) A motionless airplane that rapidly pitches down will still cause a negative G for the pilot. This is because the pilot sits on the front of the plane, in front of the center of gravity. The acceleration the pilot feels is centripetal (being swung around a circle), not due to load. A G training centrifuge works the same way. The centrifuge rotates, but it does not actually go anywhere (despite how cool that would be). If my math is right, a pitch-down of 30 degrees per second would cause about 1 G on it's own. edit: In a plane this is 1G outward, not downward. So, not blackout-Gs, but eyeball-pulling and seatbelt-pulling Gs. Edited August 17, 2019 by Preendog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilbur81 Posted August 17, 2019 Author Share Posted August 17, 2019 You can do all of those moves with the DCS Hornet.:lol: Give us a video, then. :music_whistling: I've tried to replicate such a pitch over... even with the G-limit override engaged... the negative pitch of the nose seems uber-sluggish in every flight regime...making the Finnish Hornet look like an F-22 in some ways compared to our DCS jet. Maybe Skate is right. i7 8700K @ Stock - Win10 64 - 32 RAM - RTX 3080 12gb OC - 55 inch 4k Display Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBS17 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Some cool moves here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26s1fDrdoXA Very extreme.:thumbup: [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbrz Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Some cool moves here Please, this is an aircraft and it performs maneuvers, there are no 'moves' or 'cool moves'! Btw, you still didn't explain how you got to the no negative G conclusion. i7-7700K 4.2GHz, 16GB, GTX 1070 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbrz Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 I've tried to replicate such a pitch over... even with the G-limit override engaged... the negative pitch of the nose seems uber-sluggish in every flight regime... Just tried to fly the initial part of the Finnish sequence and didn't notice a significant difference, let alone uber-sluggishness. Taking off with approx 75% internal fuel (to match the acceleration rate on take off), using the same full aft stick after 7sec, results in the same rotation speed/time. Selecting the gear up, flaps auto and accelerate for the same 13sec at ~10deg pitch attitude results in ~300kts at the start of the pull up. Climb at around 70° pitch attitude for 8sec and starting the push over at ~290kts. Time to level flight 4-5sec (depending on the speed at the start of the push over). i7-7700K 4.2GHz, 16GB, GTX 1070 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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