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Old 09-01-2017, 08:23 AM   #321
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Yes, they are, but it's the TE476, which can be seen in this particular narrated takeoff and flight sequence, hence the confusion.
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Old 09-01-2017, 02:49 PM   #322
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Dear God, Yo-Yo, you should ba ashamed of youself . Some average guy might not be able to recognize Griffon-powered Spit from the Merlin one, but you? They look completely different!

The plane on the video is obviously Kermit Weeks' Mk XVI s/n TE476. Very much Merlin powered, and if someone cannot recognize that visually (which I just can't comprehend ), prop rotation and right rudder input as seen on external camera shot are a dead giveaway.

That being said, video narrator indeed says about left input (?!) - we can only presume whoever produced the film used Griffon-Spit pilot's notes for background narration. Not a very professional film then! Can't wait for the plane to be flyabale again, so that Kermit can make one of his excellent "KermieCam" videos with it and narrate it himself!
Shame on me, yes. Looked at a glance, noticed Griffon- powered one...
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Old 09-01-2017, 05:47 PM   #323
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Dear God, Yo-Yo, you should ba ashamed of youself . Some average guy might not be able to recognize Griffon-powered Spit from the Merlin one, but you? They look completely different!

The plane on the video is obviously Kermit Weeks' Mk XVI s/n TE476. Very much Merlin powered, and if someone cannot recognize that visually (which I just can't comprehend ), prop rotation and right rudder input as seen on external camera shot are a dead giveaway.

That being said, video narrator indeed says about left input (?!) - we can only presume whoever produced the film used Griffon-Spit pilot's notes for background narration. Not a very professional film then! Can't wait for the plane to be flyabale again, so that Kermit can make one of his excellent "KermieCam" videos with it and narrate it himself!
Well, wasn't Mk.XVI's Packard powered last time I checked? Shame on you Art-J…


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Old 09-01-2017, 07:15 PM   #324
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Well, wasn't Mk.XVI's Packard powered last time I checked? Shame on you Art-J…


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Yes, Packard MERLIN, known as Merlin 266.
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Old 09-01-2017, 10:51 PM   #325
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Yes, Packard MERLIN, known as Merlin 266.
Still Packard, an american company, different engine, even some operation is slightly different like in Mustang instead of Spitfire.


Anyway just kidding about being so nitpicky, if we're going to be nitpick then… You see the irony, I think .


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Old 09-02-2017, 12:51 AM   #326
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Still Packard, an american company, different engine, even some operation is slightly different like in Mustang instead of Spitfire.


Anyway just kidding about being so nitpicky, if we're going to be nitpick then… You see the irony, I think .


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It is still a Merlin. Packard Merlin. Not Rolls Royce.
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Old 09-02-2017, 05:54 AM   #327
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Still Packard, an american company, different engine, even some operation is slightly different like in Mustang instead of Spitfire.


Anyway just kidding about being so nitpicky, if we're going to be nitpick then… You see the irony, I think .


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OK a small nitpick

The Packard Merlin had a few superficial differences like some of the block castings were more robust where they were bolted together (see attached Merlin 70 vs 266) but the general appearance was virtually identical. Sorry to use a Merlin 70 instead of a 66, that's all they had out of the aircraft at Biggin Hill when I was there. No real visual difference between a 70 and a 66 for these purposes.

Wikipedia may not always be 100% reliable but you may find these interesting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Merlin
see the 266

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superm....28type_361.29
see the Mk XVI. The slightly higher intercooler is mentioned which happens to sit in the area of the engine in my photo of how the castings were bolted together.
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Still Packard, an american company, different engine, even some operation is slightly different like in Mustang instead of Spitfire.


Anyway just kidding about being so nitpicky, if we're going to be nitpick then… You see the irony, I think .


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Nah, I don't quite see the irony. Using that logic, Corsairs built by Goodyear and Brewster should not be called Corsairs. Not to mention Liberators, which were (in)famous for lack of some parts interchangeability between the same (well, in theory...) variants built by Consolidated, Douglas, NA and Ford, causing frontline mechanics to pull their hair out . Packard-built Merlin is still a Merlin, just like the Ford-built one.

Griffon, on the other hand, was a completely different design, even originating from different "ancestor" so to speak, thus pointing it out is as far from "nitpicking" as can be, I would say.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one
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Old 09-02-2017, 08:17 AM   #329
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A must watch for Spitfire lovers. Second half of the video shows take off and landing and uses a WWII pilot's journal description of his impressions of the spit and his detailed notes on start up, taxi and take off procedures.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpvuEDzmVO4
This clip is very nice to watch. The sound is (partially) impressive thow it covers the voice-over to make it hard to understand (to a foreigner).
But the lack on this video is, the most interesting things are happen outside of the frame or are cut (in the most suspenseful moment) to show another take from another position.

Knowing, this wasn't the intention of this Video, I was interested in the Rudder- and Aileron-Work. This is just a few split seconds to be seen. Disappointed.
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