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Old 04-03-2017, 10:12 PM   #51
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I don't understand the question, so I'll give an answer that I hope explains a couple of things:

Missiles don't use Link-4,16, or whatever. (There may be some VERY new versions of 120's that do, but I doubt it). The don't receive information from AWACS or SAMs or wingmen. Period.

The missile data-link comes strictly from the launching aircraft.
That launching aircraft may receive data from other sources (ie. all of this above stuff) and then pass that data onto the missile it is launching via M-Link.
Ah so it has more to do with the launching aircrafts data link capability than the missiles then.
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Old 10-30-2018, 11:34 PM   #52
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Sorry for posting in an old thread, but did I get it right that you cannot evade the AIM-54C missiles in DCS? My F18 hornet does not give me any warning signals and no matter how hard I try to evade or how much chaff I throw, it always hits me. In Tacview I can cleary see the insane speed and maneuverability of this missile.
Or am I doing something wrong? It gets frustrating to get killed by this missile every time even when I am not in range firing my own missiles.


Edit: Ok, now I see that you have to go extremely close to the ground and dodge the missile in an 90° angle while spamming chaffs. Still this is only possible, if I can spot that missile with my own eyes almost immediately after its launch, which is not always very easy. So the AIM-54 of the F14 is an extremely overpowered missile. I wonder why my hornet does not have such a strong weapon.

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Old 10-31-2018, 12:39 AM   #53
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I evade them all the time ... just need to jump into a defensive posture form the moment you expect or see the launch. If an F-14 is flying at you, then so it an AIM-54C most likely.


F-18's were never designed to carry the AIM-54 - the F-14 was the only operational aircraft to do so.
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Old 10-31-2018, 01:01 AM   #54
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However, your situational awareness needs to be very high to spot those devilish missiles. Usually I can only see them, when I have already spotted the enemy. It is a mistery to me why my hornet can automatically detect SAM-missiles, but no air-to-air 54 missiles.
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Old 10-31-2018, 02:10 AM   #55
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You don't need to spot them. Knowing there's an F-14 in the vicinity is enough, knowing his distance from you is even better.

The missiles are launched in TWS so you won't get any warning until the missile is close.
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Old 10-31-2018, 02:32 AM   #56
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Unless it is not a scripted mission without random enemies, I do not know how to check whether I have F-14 enemies especially from such a long range like 10 or 15 nm. My radar just tells me whether it is an enemy airplane or not.
At least I can use this simple method: Immediately evade, when you are seeing that a missile is launched from more than 10 nm away, because that is the range of those nasty missiles. The AI does not seem to launch them on closer range.
However, my radar and my own eyes sometimes do not even notice if there are any bogies in bound, especiall when they are comming from the side or even from the back.

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The missiles are launched in TWS so you won't get any warning until the missile is close.
Unfortunately I do not get any visual or sound warnings even when the missile is close. That is kind of strange, isn't it?

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Old 10-31-2018, 01:16 PM   #57
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Your RWR will let you know what kind of radars are looking at you.
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Old 10-31-2018, 02:55 PM   #58
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I know what you are saying, because I have already tried that training mission for evading SAMs. In that mission I often got informations about the types of the SAM-sites and missiles were indicated by a line next to their symbol on the circular RWR-screen, which is a great help. However, some AA-missiles like the 54 are not detected by my RWR at any time.
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Old 11-01-2018, 02:01 PM   #59
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As GG says, if there is an F-14 radar on your RWR, notch/defend against the F-14. By doing so, you naturally defend against the AIM-54C.


AA missiles of the "active seeking" variety will only be detected once their radar spots you. Usually, in an Western aircraft, you get an "M" warning on the RWR
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Old 11-01-2018, 02:51 PM   #60
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Oh, so you are saying that in my case I did not get any warnings, because the F14 itself did not radar-lock me. I thought that I would already get a warning when a Fox 3 missile like the AIM-54 has locked me up, but maybe that was a wrong assumption.
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