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Old 03-13-2018, 05:02 AM   #1
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Default Heavy Sky Campaign, F-14 with AIM-54 is so OP

I have been flying the first 20 missions of Heavy Sky campaign. I like it so much.

I have complaints about current F-14s. Sometimes I faced multiple F-14s and I can say that AIM-54 missile is currently SO powerful. It is like AIM-120D. In SU-33 you don't get RWR warning until the missile is ~5-10km away from you and F-14s will launch it from 85km distance!! Jamming does not help at all, I confirmed this many times. If the F-14 happens to lose the lock on you, missile goes balistic and when it relocks, missile turns to you again I hope they fix these when F-14 module is out. Currently AI F-14 with AIM-54 is way more dangerous than AI F-18 with AIM120. All my AI wingmen gets shot in few minutes...
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Old 03-13-2018, 06:02 AM   #2
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Thats the way how Aim-54 works , no warning until it goes active.

This is simulation , not battlefield etc where things get ”balanced”


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Old 03-13-2018, 07:13 PM   #3
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Thats the way how Aim-54 works , no warning until it goes active.

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Yes but how can an F-14 radar lock me from 90km distance while my jammer is on.. I would understand if I were to fly IL-78 but it is SU-33. Even today's radars can hardly get lock above that distance.

I'm not a missile or aviation expert, but I wonder why would they drop so powerful missile if it was so good in real life.
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Old 03-13-2018, 08:47 PM   #4
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Probably because the threat wasn’t there anymore and the plane that carried it was retired?
Do some reading on the F14 and you will find the in game performance reasonable and the reasons why it was retired from service.
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Old 03-14-2018, 01:36 AM   #5
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I fly 30m above the sea with or without jammer it locks me and shoots from 85km... Chaffs have no effect, (I flown 20 times against F-14 and dropped chaffs and never seen any effect) I try to beam, and nothing breaks the lock.

Well if you want to believe that the current AIM-54B model and F-14 radar model is reasonable, fine I have nothing to say. Looks like they had better radars and missiles in 1981 than today's.
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I found this to be an interesting read: Forecast International Archived Report: AIM-54A/C/C+ Phoenix. The part that caught my eye:

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In airborne testing, the AIM-54A achieved enviable results, with the success rate running at 88 percent over the entire test program. Of the 56 missiles fired during contractor tests, 43 were scored as hits. During 1973 the Phoenix hit targets at ranges of 202 kilometers (109 nautical miles) and attained an altitude of more than 30,480 meters (100,000 feet). A Phoenix also hit a BQM-34A drone simulating a cruise missile at an altitude of only 15 meters (50 feet) above the sea.
Given the source, there might be an agenda but the report contains some interesting info just the same. Also refers to an infrared subsystem on the missile.
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There's no infrared subsystem on the missile. There was integration with the IRST though
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There's no infrared subsystem on the missile. There was integration with the IRST though
Ahh...that's what they were referring to, then. I took it to mean the missile itself was fitted with it--which I had never heard before.
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What I find Crazy, if the Phoenix was 88 Percent Accurate/Effective why was it not continued, as far as I know the F15 could carry it on the Belly station (at least tested on in one picture) and possibly on the wing Drop tanks stations so if correct that's either 1 phoenix or 3 Pheonix. I get this is not practical in all situations. Would the phoenix if continued to be developed not have a place in 21st century air war?? Aim 54 testing phases seem like it was very effective from a Air Supremacy stand point, break into enemy airspace and lob a few of these. Anyone know the testing phase for the R33 any info on how effective it was?
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That was NASA's F-15 using an instrumented AIM-54 for hypersonic testing. The F-15 was never made able to actually carry and launch the AIM-54 in war.

Phoenix was given up because the only platform capable of launching it was retired. That's it. F-15's didn't need it and hornets can't take full advantage of it.
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