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While I'm happy that F16 will be coming to DCS allowing me to revisit Falcon 3.0 and 4.0, I'm more happy that the Cobra will be closer to reality. ED/Belsimtek did say that F16 was a priority over the Cobra! :)

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Thanks, Chuck!! I do have to say, though, this seems highly unlikely. Unless, of course, ED has been secretly working on the F-16 all this time and hasn't said anything, and it's actually over 50% ready to release as I type this, then I really don't have any confidence that we will see it in 2019. 2020? Still just as unlikely. 2021? Maybe. 2022+? That sounds more correct in my head.

 

 

Of course, I'd be more than happy to eat my words right here of the forums if I'm proven wrong. But I just don't see any realistic way an F-16 2019 release will happen.

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F/A 18C and F-14 could let us play for quite a while. I don't care F-16 or other new modules. ED should take some time to improve the ambient of ATC or other radio, which are really lag behind.

 

I feel that ATC and weather is what is holding back DCS from being hands down the best sime out there. Prepar3d and X-Plane has civilian planes which will always make it more popular. If DCS can get IFR flight down, ATC, real world weather and the whole earth on top of what we have, then I see DCS having greater share of the market.

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F/A 18C and F-14 could let us play for quite a while. I don't care F-16 or other new modules. ED should take some time to improve the ambient of ATC or other radio, which are really lag behind.

 

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I feel that ATC and weather is what is holding back DCS from being hands down the best sime out there. Prepar3d and X-Plane has civilian planes which will always make it more popular. If DCS can get IFR flight down, ATC, real world weather and the whole earth on top of what we have, then I see DCS having greater share of the market.

 

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As much as I whish a F-16C in DCS the much I hate already when it will be released.

 

I have been involved for years in the Falcon 4 area. Without any doubt the best F16C sim out there and the dynamic campaign are unsurpassed.

 

But to make it very clear, Falcon 4, is an F-16C Block 52. ED always said that they will not release a Block 52. As such you get a downrated F-16.

 

No APG-83 AESA, no ALQ-165, no AGM-88, no Link16

 

In short -> For me better no F-16 than the outdated one.

 

 

Besides this, the BMS team, if ED would make the effort to get these guys onboard, the F-16 would already be finished ...

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As much as I whish a F-16C in DCS the much I hate already when it will be released.

 

I have been involved for years in the Falcon 4 area. Without any doubt the best F16C sim out there and the dynamic campaign are unsurpassed.

 

But to make it very clear, Falcon 4, is an F-16C Block 52. ED always said that they will not release a Block 52. As such you get a downrated F-16.

 

No APG-83 AESA, no ALQ-165, no AGM-88, no Link16

 

In short -> For me better no F-16 than the outdated one.

 

 

Besides this, the BMS team, if ED would make the effort to get these guys onboard, the F-16 would already be finished ...

 

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ED always said that they will not release a Block 52. As such you get a downrated F-16.

 

No APG-83 AESA, no ALQ-165, no AGM-88, no Link16

 

You should pay more attention to announcements before complaining, ED is looking to make a block 50, which only difference with block 52 is engines :thumbup:

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3510410&postcount=144

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You should pay more attention to announcements before complaining, ED is looking to make a block 50, which only difference with block 52 is engines :thumbup:

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3510410&postcount=144

 

 

Mea culpa - i overead the announcement and had only my earlier discussion with ED in mind

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This was created by Glowing AMRAAM with a lot of direction from our company owner Nick Grey. I had a very minor role.

 

GA’s work has always been excellent and I was really happy when you brought him on board officially. This video is easily one of his best! (Really oddball choice of music too...but it works!)

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is an F-16C Block 52. ED always said that they will not release a Block 52. As such you get a downrated F-16.

No APG-83 AESA, no ALQ-165, no AGM-88, no Link16

 

This will be the biggest challenge ED will have with the DCS F-16, fighting all the misconceptions people have about the F-16.

 

F-16 upgrades are not sequential and not indicated by the block number, there are some block 20 that are more advance that some block 52. It all depends on the year, the country and some times, the specific F-16.

 

Other sims have never had a specific F-16, they have always been an amalgam from all the different version into one.


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Thanks, Chuck!! I do have to say, though, this seems highly unlikely. Unless, of course, ED has been secretly working on the F-16 all this time and hasn't said anything, and it's actually over 50% ready to release as I type this, then I really don't have any confidence that we will see it in 2019. 2020? Still just as unlikely. 2021? Maybe. 2022+? That sounds more correct in my head.

 

 

Of course, I'd be more than happy to eat my words right here of the forums if I'm proven wrong. But I just don't see any realistic way an F-16 2019 release will happen.

It's been in development since 2008. So one would think it's pretty close to completion. I'm sure there were some things reworked on the 3D modeling side since 2008.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=503375&postcount=332


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Instead of that wall of text, you could've at least linked that Youtube stream.

 

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Why don't you ask them yourself why they don't release technical data so you can play a video game?

 

Of course this is all an elaborate ruse, there really are 4th gen Russian full fidelity modules in DCS they just aren't selling them to people who whine about it on the forums. You have to have a special product code to unlock the full fidelity modules. Again, common sense people.

 

You can link to my post, I'm the primary source. There's a whole bunch of other people who have heard WAGs answer this question ad nauseam as well. If you choose not to believe us that's your prerogative.

 

I looked with a quick search on Youtube, it was a guy with a nasally voice who did a live stream with Wags with chat questions. It was over a year ago, I don't remember the name or channel.

 

 

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There's a whole bunch of other people who have heard WAGs answer this question ad nauseam as well. If you choose not to believe us that's your prerogative.

 

I looked with a quick search on Youtube, it was a guy with a nasally voice who did a live stream with Wags with chat questions. It was over a year ago, I don't remember the name or channel.

 

I believe you're referring to this video. I'm not going to bother to look through it to find out when he said it.

 

 

 

ETA: The comment is at 1:03:39.

 

I would like to stress this is not the only time this has been said by someone at ED.

 

Here is the thread this whole thing comes from...

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=190813

 

Note synopsis at Post 13

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3197888&postcount=13


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That's the one, thanks Aileron.

 

I'm working on a custom loop for my new build and doing benchmarks. I like a good counterfactual argument over something historical but these boards can really get really silly sometimes.

 

The F-16 were going to get is going to be circa Desert Storm/Gulf War I or earlier. The radars, black boxes, jammers, data links, munitions, and flux capacitors have gotten way more advanced since then. There are still F-16s coming off the production line with stuff we won't get an accurate sim of till like 2050. The only country besides the US and NATO allies that probably get the full monty with all the bells and whistles are Israeli versions. But they have an indigenous aerospace industry that can build that state of the art stuff. We should all be very happy with any block 5X we can get.

 

For the more modern stuff NATO/Cold War etc. We are just going to get close approximations. Arguing about radar ranges, IRST ranges, IFF, missile avoidance TTPS, comparative rates of turn, and other hush hush stuff of aircraft still in real world use is pointless. We should be more worried about game play balance for more recent aircraft. Arguments about radar ranges and missile envelopes will never be accurate. It's fun to speculate based on open source information but this is just a game.

 

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It's been in development since 2008. So one would think it's pretty close to completion. I'm sure there were some things reworked on the 3D modeling side since 2008.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=503375&postcount=332

 

 

Wow. They've really kept a tight lid on things. I hope it really has been in development all this time and hasn't been on the back burner.

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All i can comment about seeing that little tease at the end is that a new pair of pants was needed shortly after:megalol:

 

But seriously, i'm just happy the Viper is much closer than i expected it to be. Thank you ED, a 1000 times over.:thumbup:

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We should be more worried about game play balance for more recent aircraft.

 

Really disagree with you here. I know we can only get approximations but these approximations should be as close as possible. Balancing destroys the nature of this sim. Equal unit are not always fielded against each other. Dissimilar weapons demand different tactics and if one side outclasses the other asymmetric warfare. Most of us are here for realism, not air quake.

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Really disagree with you here. I know we can only get approximations but these approximations should be as close as possible. Balancing destroys the nature of this sim. Equal unit are not always fielded against each other. Dissimilar weapons demand different tactics and if one side outclasses the other asymmetric warfare. Most of us are here for realism, not air quake.

 

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F16 coming in 2019?

 

already? Hornet isnt even out of EA. Id hope they manage to finish that within the 2019 timeframe before leaping to to a F16 release ( even if its only EA with missing features)

 

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