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Old 01-25-2017, 01:50 PM   #1
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Hi,

I've just picked this up at the ED shop.

I would like to suggest that you consider adding an up-to-date intro document / readme.txt / "getting started" introductory guide to get people going in the right direction.

It appears to me that new users are supposed to just click the campaign in game and go from there.

For example, I see that there are documents ..\DCS World\Mods\campaigns\A-10C AAT\Doc, ..\DCS World\Mods\campaigns\A-10C - Basic Flight Training Qualification\Doc

...but this isn't mentioned anywhere. I don't think that people should just be expected to know this.

Again, e.g., I see that there's a nice checklist in there, and would assume that I'm supposed to use that for the missions; but how am I expected to know about it in the first place?

So I go to the forums and I find threads with hundreds of posts (no, I'm not going to read them all), mentions of practice missions (what's that about?), and I am ready to give up before I start.

Sorry if I've missed something somewhere, or if I'm just being a bit thick. Please don't take this as a ranting complaint, just a suggestion.

Anyhow, I'm sure the campaign will be excellent, thank you for putting it together.

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Old 01-25-2017, 10:49 PM   #2
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This is a reasonable suggestion. Most people play the campaign through the campaigns menu but you can also play the missions individually through the mission menu.

The campaign is structured so you do a practice mission first which introduces you to the Performance Check. If successful then you progress to the Qualification mission.

We will consider adding some briefing text to the first mission (Arrival) that will indicate where the docs folder is located so users can find the reference material easier.

If you know the A-10C well you can complete the campaign without the documentation but the documentation does help new users better understand the aircraft and procedures.
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Old 01-26-2017, 03:33 PM   #3
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I'm not sure I've made my point very well. The docs folder location was an example I was making of information I think should be included in a separate, comprehensive, readme file (or a web page). I think that putting that sort of thing in the campaign intro will kill the realism vibe I suspect you're trying to go with in there.

More information that would be useful for someone just picking this up could also include:

- hints and tips like, well, these two:

"Most people play the campaign through the campaigns menu but you can also play the missions individually through the mission menu"

"The campaign is structured so you do a practice mission first which introduces you to the Performance Check. If successful then you progress to the Qualification mission."

(Thanks for those btw).

- known issues / bugs

- latest changes and updates

- there are forum threads about your campaign running to 100s of pages - I imagine there must be common issues and questions in there which crop up over and again. If only someone could pick them out and present them in an easily accessible document...

Anyway, I'll leave you alone now; thanks for taking the time to respond.
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Old 01-26-2017, 07:42 PM   #4
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Ok how about if we put the additional info into the first forum post about the campaign.

We can continue to update that post with any changes, hints, tips, etc.
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Old 01-26-2017, 07:55 PM   #5
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Ok how about if we put the additional info into the first forum post about the campaign.

We can continue to update that post with any changes, hints, tips, etc.
I think that would be very helpful... but only if you think so too ... I'm beginning to feel like I've bullied you into it.

I'd better go fly this campaign now.
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:58 PM   #6
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It's no problem. All feedback is appreciated and it helps to make the experience better for all users.

We are going to replicate your suggestion across all our campaign intro posts.
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Old 01-26-2017, 10:14 PM   #7
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Great, thanks for replying, and for creating these campaigns.
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Old 01-27-2017, 06:27 PM   #8
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Suggestions following mission "Arrival"

Provide an unambiguous message at mission end to let the user know that the mission has finished and that he can now exit by pressing ESC. (like you get in most of the training missions).

I pressed ESC after being told to go to the office, and I'm 95% sure that's that. But it might not be...

I believe that this mission has to be played through to completion or you can't proceed to the next one. This is fine for the first time you play the campaign, but a bit of a drag if you to have to sit through it every time you restart the campaign.

Maybe there's a way to give the user the option to skip through.

I realise that I could just load the missions individually, but (and I know it's silly), I like the feeling of continuity you get from doing the campaign.
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Old 01-27-2017, 06:38 PM   #9
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Just wanted to add the following:

I can see just from the first mission the amount of work you must've put into the campaign. Speaking for myself, I'm more than happy that I've got my money's worth. So please don't think I'm complaining; and feel free to ignore my questions and suggestions (which I'll post on here in case they're useful to others).

I guess you're now expected to support and keep these campaigns updated - what have you let yourself in for?
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Old 01-27-2017, 08:37 PM   #10
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Suggestions for mission BFT01 Ground Handling Practice Mission

(preflight checks part)

- Explain to user that you have provided a pdf checklist, which he should use.

- I found it hard to keep up at times, especially on the longer items (like making a radio call, waiting for INS alignment, etc). Perhaps a "press space to continue once complete" message every so often; otherwise one slip or delay and the whole mission can be screwed (or maybe that's the intention? ).

-Explain to the user that sometimes it's necessary to hold button for 1 second if the game is to correctly recognise keypresses. I found the "Press and hold for 1 second count." message confusing in that there is no context to it.

-After not doing it right I see "We will end our flight here. You did poorly cadet..your rating is an unqualified...you need to spend more time training". I'm a bit confused, I thought this was a practice. Will I have to keep repeating this mission? I feel this practice / qual needs to be more clearly explained. Is the qual a later mission or part of the same mission?

Questions:

What is the CCTVS/DV ADR Remote Control Panel?
Why is the UHF radio turned on at a different stage in the checklist to the others?

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