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Old 09-10-2017, 05:21 PM   #1
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Can someone discuss or explain what, if any, landing aids there are aboard ship for the Harrier and helicopters for that matter?

We are fairly familiar with the IFOLS and ACLS that a Hornet pilot has to help get them back aboard their CVN during lousy weather. What is available to the Harrier and helicopter drivers operating from the LHA's?
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I don't believe they have a landing aid other then hand signals from the Paddles.
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That is interesting. I would think that they would have figured out some kind of instrument approach procedures for the helicopters over the years and would have figured out a way to adapt them to the Harrier. I suppose that the V-22 is in the same boat?

I've no doubt that they have a non precision TACAN approach to the boat but I just assumed that there would be something like the meat ball and/or some type of ILS available as well.
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I had a quick skim through both the AV-8B and SH-60 manuals, and none of them mention any landing aids (just, as you mentioned, TACAN, which at least helps you find the ship), so it seems that you'll need to land visually.
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As a UK Aircraft Handler who worked on the flight deck in a previous life, there are no visual aids other than the spot number that is painted on the deck which is assigned to the pilot on his approach call and the signals from the marshal. There was orientation lighting for night time opertions but not specific to a landing aid.

In the UK in the days when we had a fleet air arm, the approach was flown at a specific height (depending on sea state) along the portside of the ship until abeam the spot and the pilot then would follow the signals from the marshal on the deck.

I for one will look forward to honing my skills to follow that procedure although I'll have to imagine there is a mini me on the deck freezing his nuts off, soaked through from the spray in the 30 knot wind across the deck. Ah happy days.
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Thanks for the replies fellas! Good information
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The Marines use systems very similar to the IFOLS and ACLS as far as aids for landing in poor weather. The Wasp Class ships use the VSTOL/OLS and ICLS along with TACAN Navigation to find the ship itself.


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Very cool! Thank you for that information Repth
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Just because it doesn't have any aids doesn't mean you don't have to wear protection!
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Very cool! Thank you for that information Repth
No Problem Razor, glad I could help
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