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I noticed a while ago that in 1.5.6 the Mig-29S no longer moves straight ahead while taxiing but will always pull to either the left or the right. The Mig-29A and G are ok as is the Su-27 and the Su-33.

 

I just finished downloading and trying 2.1 and I found the Su-33 will do the same pull while taxiing and the Mig-29S is pulling horribly. I can't even keep the 29S on the runway in 2.1 while taking-off.

 

In both 1.5.6 and 2.1 the planes are ok in the air but if they are on the ground before take-off and after landing they pull.

 

Anyone else notice this?

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Would Like to See:

Mig-29K, Su-24, Mig-25, J-8II, J-10 , Tornado

 

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Could be an axis problem on input device?

 

I don't think so since all the other planes work perfectly. Even the Su-33 is great in 1.5.6 but has problems in 2.1. I'd think if it were an input problem with the joystick or keyboard then all the planes would be affected.

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P-51D, F/A-18C, AJS-37, NTTR, F-5E, M-2000C, Bf 109, Fw 190 D-9, F-86F, Mig-15Bis, A-10C, Combined Arms, Mi-8Mtv2, UH-1H, Black Shark 2, Mig-21Bis, FC3, F-14A/B, Mig-19, Spitfire, JF-17, Persian Gulf

 

Would Like to See:

Mig-29K, Su-24, Mig-25, J-8II, J-10 , Tornado

 

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I don't think so since all the other planes work perfectly. Even the Su-33 is great in 1.5.6 but has problems in 2.1. I'd think if it were an input problem with the joystick or keyboard then all the planes would be affected.

 

No, each airplane has his own setup file, you can have problems with one airplane and all others be fine, check input axis under controls tab.

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No, each airplane has his own setup file, you can have problems with one airplane and all others be fine, check input axis under controls tab.

 

I just took at look at them and everything is exactly the same for all the planes. I don't see any reason why the Mig-29S and Su-33 are having problems rolling while the Mig-29A, G, F-15C, and Su-27 are all moving normally.

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P-51D, F/A-18C, AJS-37, NTTR, F-5E, M-2000C, Bf 109, Fw 190 D-9, F-86F, Mig-15Bis, A-10C, Combined Arms, Mi-8Mtv2, UH-1H, Black Shark 2, Mig-21Bis, FC3, F-14A/B, Mig-19, Spitfire, JF-17, Persian Gulf

 

Would Like to See:

Mig-29K, Su-24, Mig-25, J-8II, J-10 , Tornado

 

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I had a similar problem with the Su-27 and F15C earlier today, it turned out that only one engine was starting (even though I was consistently hitting both controls) and I was zoomed in a little too much to notice the engine gauges. Fingers crossed you can solve the issue.

 

 

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I had a similar problem with the Su-27 and F15C earlier today, it turned out that only one engine was starting (even though I was consistently hitting both controls) and I was zoomed in a little too much to notice the engine gauges. Fingers crossed you can solve the issue.

 

For my Mig-29S and Su-33 both gauges show that it's running and once I'm in the air I'm good. its just taxiing and rolling down the runway that's a problem.

 

I hope I can figure this out. It's made the Mig-29S unflyable starting on the ground and that's my favorite FC3 plane. :cry:

Modules:

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P-51D, F/A-18C, AJS-37, NTTR, F-5E, M-2000C, Bf 109, Fw 190 D-9, F-86F, Mig-15Bis, A-10C, Combined Arms, Mi-8Mtv2, UH-1H, Black Shark 2, Mig-21Bis, FC3, F-14A/B, Mig-19, Spitfire, JF-17, Persian Gulf

 

Would Like to See:

Mig-29K, Su-24, Mig-25, J-8II, J-10 , Tornado

 

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Remap the axis and try again.

Have the controls indicator open to see if anything abnormal happens.

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Remap the axis and try again.

Have the controls indicator open to see if anything abnormal happens.

 

I just tried it. I cleared all the axis for the rudders (stick and keyboard) and opened the controls indicator. The indicator is showing that everything is in the center and even with no keys or stick axis bound to the rudders it's still pulling to the side while taxiing. :cry:

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P-51D, F/A-18C, AJS-37, NTTR, F-5E, M-2000C, Bf 109, Fw 190 D-9, F-86F, Mig-15Bis, A-10C, Combined Arms, Mi-8Mtv2, UH-1H, Black Shark 2, Mig-21Bis, FC3, F-14A/B, Mig-19, Spitfire, JF-17, Persian Gulf

 

Would Like to See:

Mig-29K, Su-24, Mig-25, J-8II, J-10 , Tornado

 

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I just tried it. I cleared all the axis for the rudders (stick and keyboard) and opened the controls indicator. The indicator is showing that everything is in the center and even with no keys or stick axis bound to the rudders it's still pulling to the side while taxiing. :cry:

 

Are you using a HOTAS setup that has toe brakes? Might be worth checking that one of the brakes isn't engaged slightly.

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My CH Pro Pedals need a healthy dead zone or else the left brake drags without firm heel pressure.

 

That affects how your plane flies too right? For me the 29S and 33 fly ok but can't taxi properly.

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P-51D, F/A-18C, AJS-37, NTTR, F-5E, M-2000C, Bf 109, Fw 190 D-9, F-86F, Mig-15Bis, A-10C, Combined Arms, Mi-8Mtv2, UH-1H, Black Shark 2, Mig-21Bis, FC3, F-14A/B, Mig-19, Spitfire, JF-17, Persian Gulf

 

Would Like to See:

Mig-29K, Su-24, Mig-25, J-8II, J-10 , Tornado

 

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My CH Pro Pedals need a healthy dead zone or else the left brake drags without firm heel pressure.

 

I tried setting the deadzones for the rudder pedals and it didn't change anything. They're still pulling at the same rate as they did when the deadzones were at 0.

 

I also tried repairing DCS and it didn't do any good. I wonder why I'm having this problem while everyone else seem to be fine.

 

Here's a track that shows the problem I'm having.

 

I can't get the control indicator to come up but you can see the rudders moving as I try to keep the Mig moving straight.

 

First the Mig will turn right sharply just as the engines reach power enough to move the plane.

 

Then you'll see the Mig will constantly move to the left and I need to make rudder adjustments every second or 2 just to keep it from going off the taxi way.

 

When I come to a stop on the runway you'll see the plane wants to make a right turn as I stop. Once I start moving again it'll try to go right again even though I have the rudders moving it to the left and while the plane goes down the runway I have to, again, move the rudder to the left every second or 2 to keep it from going off the runway.

 

Once I'm in the air I don't need to make any adjustments. The problem is only on the ground.

 

Hopefully the track will help someone recognize the problem and help me fix it.

Mig29S taxi issues.trk

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P-51D, F/A-18C, AJS-37, NTTR, F-5E, M-2000C, Bf 109, Fw 190 D-9, F-86F, Mig-15Bis, A-10C, Combined Arms, Mi-8Mtv2, UH-1H, Black Shark 2, Mig-21Bis, FC3, F-14A/B, Mig-19, Spitfire, JF-17, Persian Gulf

 

Would Like to See:

Mig-29K, Su-24, Mig-25, J-8II, J-10 , Tornado

 

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I had the same problem and it turned out that my right toe brake was slightly on.

I couldn't rest it in the controller calibration settings so I unplugged it from USB and plugged it back in which fixed it. Not sure how it got messed up in the first place.

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I had the same problem and it turned out that my right toe brake was slightly on.

I couldn't rest it in the controller calibration settings so I unplugged it from USB and plugged it back in which fixed it. Not sure how it got messed up in the first place.

 

The only USB controller I have is the stick. I unplugged it and put it back. I even just used the keyboard directly and I still have the same problem.

 

I didn't see a left or right toe break in the control options even under axis controls.

 

I'm beginning to think I should give up on flying the 29S and the 33 and just stick with the 29A and the 27. :(

Modules:

Owned:

P-51D, F/A-18C, AJS-37, NTTR, F-5E, M-2000C, Bf 109, Fw 190 D-9, F-86F, Mig-15Bis, A-10C, Combined Arms, Mi-8Mtv2, UH-1H, Black Shark 2, Mig-21Bis, FC3, F-14A/B, Mig-19, Spitfire, JF-17, Persian Gulf

 

Would Like to See:

Mig-29K, Su-24, Mig-25, J-8II, J-10 , Tornado

 

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kelpie, as a test, have you tried a takeoff in clean configuration(no weapons at all)? If your weapons loadout is asymmetrical, on your takeoff rollout the aircraft will veer from straight ahead and require some fancy rudder action to stay straight. Having a heavy loadout on one wing and a lighter load on the other causes "pulling" in some DCS aircraft. I have a lot of hours in the MiG-29s and Su-33 and noticed this years ago.


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I can't get the control indicator to come up but you can see the rudders moving as I try to keep the Mig moving straight.

 

This suggests to me that you have a corrupted input file which might be affecting the MiG & Su-33.

 

Try looking at the input files in this directory:

 

C:\Users\(you)\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Config\Input\su-33\joystick\

 

See if your joystick is listed with a .lua file in this directory.

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kelpie, as a test, have you tried a takeoff in clean configuration(no weapons at all)? If your weapons loadout is asymmetrical, on your takeoff rollout the aircraft will veer from straight ahead and require some fancy rudder action to stay straight. Having a heavy loadout on one wing and a lighter load on the other causes "pulling" in some DCS aircraft. I have a lot of hours in the MiG-29s and Su-33 and noticed this years ago.

 

Yup, that was the first thing I did when it first started and the Mig still pulls. When I load a plane I always put the same weapons on both wings just to avoid that situation. :smilewink:

 

This suggests to me that you have a corrupted input file which might be affecting the MiG & Su-33.

 

Try looking at the input files in this directory:

 

C:\Users\(you)\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Config\Input\su-33\joystick\

 

See if your joystick is listed with a .lua file in this directory.

 

Here's the name of the file:

T.Flight Stick X {C2B633B0-26BB-11e7-8001-444553540000}.diff.lua

 

it is a .lua but as you can see it also says .diff in front. Is that the problem? :(

Modules:

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P-51D, F/A-18C, AJS-37, NTTR, F-5E, M-2000C, Bf 109, Fw 190 D-9, F-86F, Mig-15Bis, A-10C, Combined Arms, Mi-8Mtv2, UH-1H, Black Shark 2, Mig-21Bis, FC3, F-14A/B, Mig-19, Spitfire, JF-17, Persian Gulf

 

Would Like to See:

Mig-29K, Su-24, Mig-25, J-8II, J-10 , Tornado

 

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There is something wrong at that airport.

Move The Mig to another one and problem disappears.

 

Good call. :thumbup: I moved the Mig to Nells and the movement is still there but nowhere near as bad. :D

 

Thanks for the help, everyone. :D

 

I'll avoid putting the planes on that airfield until it's corrected. :thumbup:


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Modules:

Owned:

P-51D, F/A-18C, AJS-37, NTTR, F-5E, M-2000C, Bf 109, Fw 190 D-9, F-86F, Mig-15Bis, A-10C, Combined Arms, Mi-8Mtv2, UH-1H, Black Shark 2, Mig-21Bis, FC3, F-14A/B, Mig-19, Spitfire, JF-17, Persian Gulf

 

Would Like to See:

Mig-29K, Su-24, Mig-25, J-8II, J-10 , Tornado

 

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I think I tried Nellis too and didn't have prob at all.

Besides it looks like you have modded your game to get 27-ET on your MiG-29, although I also tried a default payload and it didn't seem to make a difference, to avoid having your game broken, don't use mods or alter files yourself.

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I think I tried Nellis too and didn't have prob at all.

Besides it looks like you have modded your game to get 27-ET on your MiG-29, although I also tried a default payload and it didn't seem to make a difference, to avoid having your game broken, don't use mods or alter files yourself.

 

I wonder why some airfields have that problem. I guess it's all part of using a program that's still in Alpha. :D

 

I haven't installed mods on this version of DCS nor did I mess with any of the files. :smilewink: I don't like doing that on any game except for the Elder Scrolls and Civilization games. :P It's a must on those two. :P

 

The 27ET was already available to me I just needed to make a new payload. :smilewink:it that's not normal. :unsure:

Modules:

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P-51D, F/A-18C, AJS-37, NTTR, F-5E, M-2000C, Bf 109, Fw 190 D-9, F-86F, Mig-15Bis, A-10C, Combined Arms, Mi-8Mtv2, UH-1H, Black Shark 2, Mig-21Bis, FC3, F-14A/B, Mig-19, Spitfire, JF-17, Persian Gulf

 

Would Like to See:

Mig-29K, Su-24, Mig-25, J-8II, J-10 , Tornado

 

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The 27ET was already available to me I just needed to make a new payload. :smilewink:it that's not normal. :unsure:

 

Maybe it's just me who can't remember anymore.

Haven't flown the -29 in ages.

Regarding the airports; Maybe it's a bug related to SFM aircraft only.

 

 

EDIT: My bad. I have ET's available too.


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I set a rudder deadzone in MIG29a in Nevada but it is not realised in game. In Caucuses the dead zone is fine.

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Here's the name of the file:

T.Flight Stick X {C2B633B0-26BB-11e7-8001-444553540000}.diff.lua

 

it is a .lua but as you can see it also says .diff in front. Is that the problem? :(

 

No, mine's also a .doff.lua file. Weird that the problem is different at different airports.

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