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You would have to be really reading into that statement come to such a conclusion. This text is very specific to the Mi-8 and at no point discusses other modules.

 

And it was clarified by me back then as well:

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3239062&postcount=101

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You would have to be really reading into that statement come to such a conclusion.

 

Maybe not, one could clearly understand that the NS-430 was initially developed for the Mi-8, but it's going to be expanded to other modules. But it's starting with the Mi-8, which means it's going to be available for other modules in the future, although it doesn't mention if it will be for free or it will cost X. do you understand where I'm getting at?

 

I'm not affirming anything, just trying to help you. Since you were looking for evidence that indicates the NS-430 would be expanded to other modules.

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There was never any official word from anyone on it being a one time purchase for all aircraft. After perusing the original thread (all 29 pages) it seems that the community came to its own consensus that BST simply wouldn't do that to them and that $15 was justifiable for integration into all aircraft that would support it. Add to that the hiccup of it being available in the L-39 and then removed as an error. Some of the word choices in the news release and on the store page are a little ambiguous. Phrases like "starting with" a particular module can be taken several ways by different people and different cultures etc.


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Again, that is reading into something that is not there. Further, to use terms like "lied" and "deceit" is pretty outrageous.

 

As NL just posted, this was even clarified here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3239062&postcount=101

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Again, that is reading into something that is not there. Further, to use terms like "lied" and "deceit" is pretty outrageous.

 

As NL just posted, this was even clarified here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3239062&postcount=101

 

Excuse me, who said this?

 

I actually asked Belsimtek back when NS-430 was announced, about other modules using NS-430, and they didn't say anything about other modules using it, they said they were investigating this possibility, but it doesn't say it was going to.

 

Then again, it's in plural; "modules". Image from Facebook.

 

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We can argue all day long about the wording of the initial sale, the implication, or the impression given to the community on a whole when the NS430 was first sold was that it was going to be available at release for the Mil8 then later developed in to other aircraft.

When we purchase a module we don't expect to then have to pay again to use the module in different areas, like for instance, F-18 for use in the Persian gulf, spend another £60 to use it in the caucus... sounds insane, but where is the line?

 

how ED/Belsintek handled this is appalling in my opinion. and yes it's just an opinion, but it's one being shared by the community and customers ED relies on to survive. I know it's not a great cost to get the 3D version in the L39 but it should have been stated from the start if this was going to be the case.

 

Then getting removed from he Facebook group whilst having this discussion, without using bad language or being insulting to anyone has left a really bad taste in my mouth.

 

i've been a devoted supporter and promoted of DCS, hell even my VOICE is used in the tutorial for the NS430...

 

the way this has been handled today over all has been really upsetting and i'm questioning my future with DCS

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When we purchase a module we don't expect to then have to pay again to use the module in different areas, like for instance, F-18 for use in the Persian gulf, spend another £60 to use it in the caucus... sounds insane, but where is the line?

 

how ED/Belsintek handled this is appalling in my opinion. and yes it's just an opinion, but it's one being shared by the community and customers ED relies on to survive.

 

 

You can purchase the NS430 system as a 2D pop-up for all aircraft, except those with advanced nav. You can purchase a small upgrade to have a 3D model on the cockpit and have it integrated with the systems of the aircraft.

 

How is that appalling?

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You can purchase the NS430 system as a 2D pop-up for all aircraft, except those with advanced nav. You can purchase a small upgrade to have a 3D model on the cockpit and have it integrated with the systems of the aircraft.

 

How is that appalling?

 

if that's not clear to you by now I don't honestly know what more I can say on the subject..

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if that's not clear to you by now I don't honestly know what more I can say on the subject..

 

It really isnt clear to me, no...

 

If you owned it for the Mi-8 before, they are giving you the pop-up version free. So you only need 5.99 US to add the 3D model to the L-39. It's really not that dramatic.

 

Its available for all aircraft if you buy the pop-up version.

 

If you then want to add the 3D model and cockpit integration, its 5.99 for each of the Mi-8 and L-39.

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This is pretty clear to me nothing is promised for other modules.

 

"The DCS NS 430 currently available for DCS: Mi-8MTV2. DCS NS 430 licensing and distribution policy for other modules is being discussed and will be disclosed later.

 

Belsimtek team"

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Hate to get involved in this but I when I originally purchased the NS340 on first release for the Mi8 there was an option displayed for using it with the L39. This disappeared soon after on an update.

 

There was much speculation as to what modules this unit will be used with and many many wishlists for various models appeared as is normal for these forums.

 

I never had the impression that it was for all aircraft and once the L39 option disappeared I'm positive it was affirmed by someone from ED that the purchase related to the Mi8 only.

 

I never use 2D now and for the record I and all my 'squad' use the the Garmin extensively in MP scenarios - I have no quibble about the price.... in fact ED hurry up and put the BUY IT link for the L39 3D upgrade on the website please.... for 6 dollars it's a steal...

 

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I didn't buy this module because It was never clear if they were or were not going to charge for additional module integration. Ambiguity was there from the outset.

 

I'm glad I waited and will stay away from this one.

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I didn't buy this module because It was never clear if they were or were not going to charge for additional module integration. Ambiguity was there from the outset.

 

I'm glad I waited and will stay away from this one.

 

Funny though that those that did purchase previously do get the 2D version for all other aircraft without advanced nav systems free.

 

Guys, building 3D models, then integrating these into the existing cockpits, and systems are not as easy as it might seem, and while ED is charging for this bit of work, there is a lot of stuff that goes into DCS that isn't charged for. It all balances out.

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I have never heard so much fuss made about a few measly dollars for added features to a module!

 

If you use your available bonus points, it costs less than $4.00. That will probably not even buy you a pint of beer!!!

 

Just suck it up guys, and either buy it, and help to support the release of future modules too, or don't. Making unfounded accusations, and getting yourself blocked from the forum really doesn't help does it?

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Funny though that those that did purchase previously do get the 2D version for all other aircraft without advanced nav systems free.

 

Guys, building 3D models, then integrating these into the existing cockpits, and systems are not as easy as it might seem, and while ED is charging for this bit of work, there is a lot of stuff that goes into DCS that isn't charged for. It all balances out.

 

That's fine to me if the NS-430 is integrated into the module core realistically, i.e if there is a failure in the electrical system it will not work properly etc. (Although I am not sure how NS-430 is fed IRL).

 

But the problem is, if you want to have the 3D model for all modules, it'll get pretty pricey. Perhaps that's their concern... who knows.

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i think you should have sold this from , let's say 25-35 usd. and it should have been free for rest of the planes. and maybe give the implementation tech to 3rd parties or to even modders.

 

if it was like that, people would decide if it is expensive or not. no another arguing.

 

in its current state, it is also confusing, ns-430 system, ns-430 for mi-8, ns-430 for l-39 and plus special offers. c'mon guys this is only a gauge..

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i think you should have sold this from , let's say 25-35 usd. and it should have been free for rest of the planes. and maybe give the implementation tech to 3rd parties or to even modders.

 

if it was like that, people would decide if it is expensive or not. no another arguing.

 

in its current state, it is also confusing, ns-430 system, ns-430 for mi-8, ns-430 for l-39 and plus special offers. c'mon guys this is only a gauge..

 

I dunno, I dont see an issue for 10.99 for a 2D version for all aircraft (except advanced nav ones) and then 5.99 for a 3D model integrated into the cockpit for individual ones.

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That's fine to me if the NS-430 is integrated into the module core realistically, i.e if there is a failure in the electrical system it will not work properly etc. (Although I am not sure how NS-430 is fed IRL).

 

But the problem is, if you want to have the 3D model for all modules, it'll get pretty pricey. Perhaps that's their concern... who knows.

 

5.99 USD is pricey? and it's only available for 2 right now, so 12 bucks? Should be time to save up for future releases, no? I mean ED can't do everything for free either, that is ok to say isnt it?

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Damn! I'm looking forward to the Yak. Would be awesome if that released compatible with the 430.

 

Yak is pretty fun, I must admit. I still say its a flying tractor, but I think a lot of you guys will enjoy it for just kicking around in. As for the 430, that would be nice to have that right quick, but I dont know the priority on integration right now.

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You would have to be really reading into that statement come to such a conclusion. This text is very specific to the Mi-8 and at no point discusses other modules.

Don't let the negativity and misinterpretation ruin you guys' day. In my opinion, the NS is a gift for aircraft that didn't have it by default. This SIM to me, is about era specific aircraft and what the pilots had to go through to operate these birds. The NS is not something they had available to them at the time these aircraft were in their prime. I own the NS, and from the day I purchased it I knew it was for the Mi-8. The fact that it now exists at all in other modules was a surprise to me. Yes, I'm aware that it was mentioned it MAY in the future become available to other aircraft. However, at no point did I think what I purchased would cover other modules. I was aware I purchased the NS FOR THE MI-8!

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Maybe not, one could clearly understand that the NS-430 was initially developed for the Mi-8, but it's going to be expanded to other modules. But it's starting with the Mi-8, which means it's going to be available for other modules in the future, although it doesn't mention if it will be for free or it will cost X. do you understand where I'm getting at?

 

I'm not affirming anything, just trying to help you. Since you were looking for evidence that indicates the NS-430 would be expanded to other modules.

 

It IS being expanded to other modules :p I never bought the GPS addon, despite being interested, because I gathered it was plane by plane specific.

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