Q-Tip91 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 You can flare a little bit on airfield.A decent decend rate:pilotfly: On carrier you may land the hornet at decend rate of -1200 feet per min at the last second,which will never happen on an airstrip. Sure, you can flare but it's not designed to do that so you shouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifafan Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) Sure, you can flare but it's not designed to do that so you shouldn't. Yes,Hornet hit the airstrip when landing.AFAIK there is a min decend rate about -700 feet per min.Compared with -1200 feet,it;s a decent decend rate. Also,Mover a real Hornet pilot mentioned he actually flared when landing. Couple of reasons. 1) Habit patterns. 2) This jet is prone to planing link issues. Flaring makes you more susceptible and can be harder to control should the planing link fail. Otherwise, it's a great jet to flare. I flared all the time as an adversary pilot that didn't go to the boat. Easiest airplane to land smoothly I've ever flown. You could just raise the nose, typically. Put the velocity vector (Flight path marker? whichever it's called in this jet) just below the horizon line and hold it. You can also see Hornet of other country flare when landing. Edited January 2, 2019 by tifafan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifafan Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Sure, you can flare but it's not designed to do that so you shouldn't. Also another real pilot Lex Talionis also mentioned about flaring .. sure you can flair. We flared at the field to not stress the gimbal on the L POD. As long as it didn't impede on habit patterns for when you did go to the boat. I would just stick the landing, nothings going to break Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-Tip91 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Yes,Hornet hit the airstrip when landing.AFAIK there is a min decend rate about -700 feet per min.Compared with -1200 feet,it;s a decent decend rate. Also,Mover a real Hornet pilot mentioned he actually flared when landing. You can also see Hornet of other country flare when landing. I've seen the video and he also mentions he does that because he personally likes to do that. Again...landing the Hornet appropriately means, to me, that you shouldn't flare. Regardless, I'm looking forward to the update! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbot Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Every aircraft can be flared when landing. You don't have to bump it on the runway, if you don't have to catch a wire on the boat. A-10A, A-10C, A-10C II, AV-8B, F-5E, F-16C, F/A-18C, F-86F, Yak-52, Nevada, Persian Gulf, Syria, Supercarrier, Combined Arms, FW 190 A-8, FW 190 D-9, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, Normandy + WWII Assets Pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-Tip91 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Every aircraft can be flared when landing. You don't have to bump it on the runway, if you don't have to catch a wire on the boat. To each his own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarbonFox Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Happy to get the LANTIRN pod here hopefully within the next few weeks. Maybe ED will introduce the JDAMs earlier as well with this available. F/A-18C; A-10C; F-14B; Mirage 2000C; A-4E; F-16C; Flaming Cliffs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strikeeagle345 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Every aircraft can be flared when landing. You don't have to bump it on the runway, if you don't have to catch a wire on the boat. Correct, you can flare all day long in any aircraft. However, this is not what Naval Aviators are taught when they go through training on the T-45, hornet or any other carrier based aircraft and is not the norm when landing at airfields. Granted there are those that may choose to flare, but it is not the way it is taught regardless of opinion. Strike USLANTCOM.com i7-9700K OC 5GHz| MSI MPG Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON | 32GB DDR4 3200 | GTX 3090 | Samsung SSD | HP Reverb G2 | VIRPIL Alpha | VIRPIL Blackhawk | HOTAS Warthog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banzaiib Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) You guys crack me up... The F-18C can land just fine on a carrier with a LITENING pod on its center line. The centerline fuel tank is much larger (27" diameter) than the LITENING pod (16" diameter), and they don't bang tanks on the decks... Edited January 2, 2019 by Banzaiib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eaglewings Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Not gonna happen. The litening will let us have a TGP sooner, but not this sooner. In fact the engineer that was to make the ATFLIR was to do it after the Harm, so i guess we will have Harm before any TGP. Although the litening will be the same as in the A10C, the HMI integration is not the same, so there is work to do. Enviado desde mi SM-G950F mediante TapatalkI agree on the timing prospect. Integration into the hornet is another thing to factor in. I would like to get any material that highlights difference between the AA/AQ-28 ALTFLIR targeting pod and the AN/AAQ-28 litening targeting pod. Windows 10 Pro 64bit|Ryzen 5600 @3.8Ghz|EVGA RTX 3070 XC3 Ultra|Corair vengence 32G DDR4 @3200mhz|MSI B550|Thrustmaster Flightstick| Virpil CM3 Throttle| Thrustmaster TFRP Rudder Pedal /Samsung Odyssey Plus Headset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westr Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I think they mean it’s delicate. Not so much it’s size. RYZEN 7 3700X Running at 4.35 GHz NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080Ti 32gb DDR4 RAM @3200 MHz Oculus CV1 NvME 970 EVO TM Warthog Stick & Throttle plus 11" extension. VKB T-Rudder MKIV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sn8ke Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Centerline for the USMC F/A-18’s. Asus ROG Maximus X Apex//Core I7 8700K @ 5.3Ghz //32GB DDR4 RAM//Asus 3090 RTX//4K monitor w/ TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbot Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Correct, you can flare all day long in any aircraft. However, this is not what Naval Aviators are taught when they go through training on the T-45, hornet or any other carrier based aircraft and is not the norm when landing at airfields. Granted there are those that may choose to flare, but it is not the way it is taught regardless of opinion. The F/A-18 isn't used by US Navy only. Other users, such as Switzerland, have no aircraft carriers (at least I've never seen one on Lake Constance). Why should they smash their Hornets to the ground at high sinking rates, just because the plane was designed for carrier landings? You can also make material-friendly landings by flaring - the taxpayer will be grateful. :smilewink: A-10A, A-10C, A-10C II, AV-8B, F-5E, F-16C, F/A-18C, F-86F, Yak-52, Nevada, Persian Gulf, Syria, Supercarrier, Combined Arms, FW 190 A-8, FW 190 D-9, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, Normandy + WWII Assets Pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sn8ke Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 ATFLIRs are used on the carrier due to (1) Being slightly lighter in weight and (2) The USMC uses the ATFLIR at sea due to being supplied by the Navy logistically. Switching pods does not require software upgrades or changes. When they back to their land bases, they switch back to the Litening Asus ROG Maximus X Apex//Core I7 8700K @ 5.3Ghz //32GB DDR4 RAM//Asus 3090 RTX//4K monitor w/ TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zyll Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 So what are the notable differences between the two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadoga Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Read the doc linked 2 pages before: cost and availability - no factor for us virtuals... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamin_Squirrel Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 You land the Hornet the same way on an airstrip as you do on a carrier... Kinda. Touchdown might be the same, but the stopping isn't. The Hornet is prohibited from carrier landings with a centre line tank with more than 500lbs in it. It might be the centre line pylon doesn't like to hold onto heavy objects during a rapid deceleration. Just a guess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zyll Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Interesting read (about the insignificant capability differences between the two pods). Given that, if I were ED, after the Litening pod is delivered, I would prioritize the ATFLIR pod way down the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AG-51_Razor Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Interesting read (about the insignificant capability differences between the two pods). Given that, if I were ED, after the Litening pod is delivered, I would prioritize the ATFLIR pod way down the list. I agree with this 100%!! :thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3poch Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Don't know why they just now realized this and accepted it... Great! Should have been implemented from the very beginning, because it's already in use by the A-10C. Seriously, LITENING was asked about countless times since the Hornet was first announced. Always no no no. Makes me think ATFLIR and the new infrared rendering development are not going well at all. LITENING is clearly plan B, hopefully a relatively painless plug and play for the dev team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-Tip91 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 The F/A-18 isn't used by US Navy only. Other users, such as Switzerland, have no aircraft carriers (at least I've never seen one on Lake Constance). Why should they smash their Hornets to the ground at high sinking rates, just because the plane was designed for carrier landings? You can also make material-friendly landings by flaring - the taxpayer will be grateful. :smilewink: You're making the mistake of thinking that "smashing" the plane into the ground is a bad thing for the Hornet... That sounds awkward to repeat but you don't gently caress it onto the runway or flight deck. NOT what it's designed for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_sukebe Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 As already suggested, sounds like they're identified a few "areas of opportunity" with the ATFLIR development. Personally, I'm fine with the Litening, makes a very sensible stand in. System: 9700, 64GB DDR4, 2070S, NVME2, Rift S, Jetseat, Thrustmaster F18 grip, VPC T50 stick base and throttle, CH Throttle, MFG crosswinds, custom button box, Logitech G502 and Marble mouse. Server: i5 2500@3.9Ghz, 1080, 24GB DDR3, SSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbot Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 You're making the mistake of thinking that "smashing" the plane into the ground is a bad thing for the Hornet... That sounds awkward to repeat but you don't gently caress it onto the runway or flight deck. NOT what it's designed for! https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=225497 post #4: "... Otherwise, it's a great jet to flare. I flared all the time as an adversary pilot that didn't go to the boat. Easiest airplane to land smoothly I've ever flown". But you're right. It's not what it's designed for. A-10A, A-10C, A-10C II, AV-8B, F-5E, F-16C, F/A-18C, F-86F, Yak-52, Nevada, Persian Gulf, Syria, Supercarrier, Combined Arms, FW 190 A-8, FW 190 D-9, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, Normandy + WWII Assets Pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strikeeagle345 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=225497 post #4: "... Otherwise, it's a great jet to flare. I flared all the time as an adversary pilot that didn't go to the boat. Easiest airplane to land smoothly I've ever flown". But you're right. It's not what it's designed for. He is right.:thumbup: Strike USLANTCOM.com i7-9700K OC 5GHz| MSI MPG Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON | 32GB DDR4 3200 | GTX 3090 | Samsung SSD | HP Reverb G2 | VIRPIL Alpha | VIRPIL Blackhawk | HOTAS Warthog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawgie79 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Great news! Lase targets ourselves. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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