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Old 06-27-2019, 02:52 AM   #21
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Wow, I already knew this radar was new and we had 0 chances to have it in DCS, but I did not know it was THIS new, apparently this mean that it may not even have been deploy on real combat missions yet.
But what I meant is that maybe they upgraded more than just the UFC when they did change it, if this is that old and haven't been implemented a while ago this probably may mean that they waited for more things to upgrade/change as just changing this single thing might not be worth the effort, but I have no informations about that this is just speculations.
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Old 06-27-2019, 04:19 AM   #22
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APG-82 is not being 100% standardized, it will be like the APG-63's in the C models, some are V0, some are V3, don't know what their numbers are but its definitely not 100% AESA. For the APG-82 its the same, squadrons will have some AESA, some Mech scanned. At least for the currently planned upgrades.

The new UFC offers no additional functionality over the old ones. Its pretty much 100% uniform across the fleet of USAF strike eagles. You can literally rip it out and replace the old one with the new one or vice versa while the engines are running. LRU's are great.

I've flown with an old one once or twice, they are still in inventory and if the new ones are being worked on, if they have an old one they will throw it in there.

Only real difference/benefit (other than the much clearer and brighter display) is the new ones specifically have more lighting options so as to be more compatible with NVG's and night lighting in general, the old ones still work, just arent as good to look at through NVG's.
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Old 06-27-2019, 05:14 AM   #23
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This is again well after new UFC's were around, because new UFC is illustrated and described in a F15E manual from the very early 90s, well before AESA upgrade or any other potential upgrades ( none other are mentioned besides radar)
Kev2go, I don't think the UFC upgrade was available in the early 90's, early 2000's perhaps, but don't quote me on that.
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Old 06-27-2019, 05:50 AM   #24
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As Klar has already pointed out, they are fairly new, and no, haven't been around in the US inventory for very long. Just like when we changed to color displays from the mono MPDs...the old ones are being fielded out through attrition. The new ones do not have the delam problems the old ones have and they don't require the posts/nvg filter for the nogs that the old ones did. The old UFC had white lettering, new ones are green. EMD used to be white, they are going green too. Many of the caution panels have been altered to have green filters...because...f*ck velcro.

It's also not related to the RMP for the radar....

The constant back and forth arguing by folks that have no real idea never ceases to amaze....

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Old 06-27-2019, 11:22 AM   #25
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It wasn't my intention to stir up an argument Rainmaker. I was confusing the UFC upgrade with the night vision lighting upgrade, wrongly thinking they all occurred together.
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Old 06-27-2019, 12:19 PM   #26
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It wasn't my intention to stir up an argument Rainmaker. I was confusing the UFC upgrade with the night vision lighting upgrade, wrongly thinking they all occurred together.
The statement wasn’t really directed towards you.
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Old 06-27-2019, 12:27 PM   #27
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As Klar has already pointed out, they are fairly new, and no, haven't been around in the US inventory for very long. Just like when we changed to color displays from the mono MPDs...the old ones are being fielded out through attrition. The new ones do not have the delam problems the old ones have and they don't require the posts/nvg filter for the nogs that the old ones did. The old UFC had white lettering, new ones are green. EMD used to be white, they are going green too. Many of the caution panels have been altered to have green filters...because...f*ck velcro.

It's also not related to the RMP for the radar....

The constant back and forth arguing by folks that have no real idea never ceases to amaze....
I was literally asking a question, I asked if anyone know if they did not changes multiple things at once which may include radar...as ANOTHER change done in the same time, no need to be rude, mostly if you misinterpret what is really being said.
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Old 06-27-2019, 01:11 PM   #28
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APG-82 is not being 100% standardized, it will be like the APG-63's in the C models, some are V0, some are V3, don't know what their numbers are but its definitely not 100% AESA. For the APG-82 its the same, squadrons will have some AESA, some Mech scanned. At least for the currently planned upgrades.

The new UFC offers no additional functionality over the old ones. Its pretty much 100% uniform across the fleet of USAF strike eagles. You can literally rip it out and replace the old one with the new one or vice versa while the engines are running. LRU's are great.

I've flown with an old one once or twice, they are still in inventory and if the new ones are being worked on, if they have an old one they will throw it in there.

Only real difference/benefit (other than the much clearer and brighter display) is the new ones specifically have more lighting options so as to be more compatible with NVG's and night lighting in general, the old ones still work, just arent as good to look at through NVG's.

Ah it's good to get clarification that there is no real difference ( I noted this but cant really prove it due to 1.16) between what's able to be displayed on old and new ufc. If this is in fact the case that it can easily be swapped in and out then we could have both strike eagle types
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Old 06-27-2019, 01:13 PM   #29
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As Klar has already pointed out, they are fairly new, and no, haven't been around in the US inventory for very long. Just like when we changed to color displays from the mono MPDs...the old ones are being fielded out through attrition. The new ones do not have the delam problems the old ones have and they don't require the posts/nvg filter for the nogs that the old ones did. The old UFC had white lettering, new ones are green. EMD used to be white, they are going green too. Many of the caution panels have been altered to have green filters...because...f*ck velcro.

It's also not related to the RMP for the radar....

The constant back and forth arguing by folks that have no real idea never ceases to amaze....
The USAF must be really bad at drawing out diagrams, because that 90s manual has a revision certainly had what looked like new ufc display to me.
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The USAF must be really bad at drawing out diagrams, because that 90s manual has a revision certainly had what looked like new ufc display to me.
They were not even a glimmer in someone’s eye by that point...
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