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I don't know how . Dx11 benchmarks are always what i look at most , followed by Vulkan . But as i understand it , the DCS engine is proprietary , so...

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heavy simulations have a different behavior and tax system resources different from those shooters in all the benchmarks. I bet DCS will benufit more from the added cache and the new floating point bandwidth.

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Overall, the 3700X looks too be a sweet spot for performance gamers with a future proof upgrade path as the platform develops further. A +5% is almost statistically non-relevant and with bios optimizations, and core tools the Ryzen will most likely outperform the 9900k anyway. It will be interesting to see DCS comparisons... One thing that caught my eye is that the max high point fps may be as mush as 5% lower, the overall fps experience is smoother because the way the chip works making a more favorable "feeling" in games. Additionally, the capability to load up other programs that run along with DCS onto other cores will unload the main core CPU and further optimize the experience beyond a 9900k.

 

 

 

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Ryzen 3000 (Zen 2) Meta Review: ~1540 Application Benchmarks & ~420 Gaming Benchmarks compiled

Review

 

Application Performance

 

  • compiled from 18 launch reviews, ~1540 single benchmarks included
  • "average" stand in all cases for the geometric mean
  • average weighted in favor of these reviews with a higher number of benchmarks
  • not included theoretical tests like Sandra & AIDA
  • not included singlethread results (Cinebench ST, Geekbench ST) and singlethread benchmarks (SuperPI)
  • not included PCMark overall results (bad scaling because of system & disk tests included)
  • on average the Ryzen 7 3700X is +34.6% faster than the Ryzen 7 1700X
  • on average the Ryzen 7 3700X is +21.8% faster than the Ryzen 7 2700X (on nearly the same clocks)
  • on average the Ryzen 7 3700X is +82.5% faster than the Core i7-7700K
  • on average the Ryzen 7 3700X is +30.5% faster than the Core i7-8700K
  • on average the Ryzen 7 3700X is +22.9% faster than the Core i7-9700K (and $45 cheaper)
  • on average the Ryzen 7 3700X is +2.2% faster than the Core i9-9900K (and $159 cheaper)
  • some launch reviews see the Core i9-9900K slightly above the Ryzen 7 3700X, some below - so it's more like a draw
  • on average the Ryzen 9 3900X is +27.2% faster than the Ryzen 7 3700X
  • on average the Ryzen 9 3900X is +30.1% faster than the Core i9-9900K

ApplicationsTests1800X2700X3700X3900X7700K8700K9700K9900KCPU Cores

8C/16T8C/16T8C/16T12C/24T4C/8T6C/12T8C/8T8C/16TClocks (GHz)

3.6/4.03.7/4.33.6/4.43.8/4.64.2/4.53.7/4.73.6/4.93.6/5.0TDP

95W105W65W105W95W95W95W95WAnandTech(19)73.2%81.1%100%117.4%58.0%77.9%85.9%96.2%ComputerBase(9)73.5%82.9%100%137.8%50.5%72.1%-100.0%Cowcotland(12)-77.9%100%126.9%--83.0%97.1%Golem(7)72.1%78.1%100%124.6%--80.5%87.9%Guru3D(13)-86.6%100%135.0%-73.3%79.9%99.5%Hardware.info(14)71.7%78.2%100%123.6%-79.3%87.6%94.2%Hardwareluxx(10)-79.9%100%140.2%51.3%74.0%76.1%101.1%Hot Hardware(8)-79.5%100%126.8%---103.6%Lab501(9)-79.4%100%138.1%-78.8%75.2%103.1%LanOC(13)-82.2%100%127.8%-75.7%-103.8%Le Comptoir(16)72.9%79.4%100%137.2%-69.6%68.5%85.2%Overclock3D(7)-80.1%100%130.0%--75.3%91.4%PCLab(18)-83.4%100%124.9%-76.5%81.6%94.0%SweClockers(8)73.7%84.8%100%129.5%49.6%71.0%72.7%91.9%TechPowerUp(29)78.1%85.9%100%119.7%-86.7%88.1%101.2%TechSpot(8)72.8%78.8%100%135.8%49.9%72.4%73.1%101.3%Tech Report(17)75.0%83.6%100%123.3%-78.4%-101.8%Tom's HW(25)76.3%85.1%100%122.6%--87.3%101.3%Perf. Avg.

74.3%82.1%100%127.2%~55%76.6%81.4%97.8%List Price (EOL)

($349)$329$329$499($339)($359)$374$488Gaming Performance

 

  • compiled from 9 launch reviews, ~420 single benchmarks included
  • "average" stand in all cases for the geometric mean
  • only tests/results with 1% minimum framerates (usually on FullHD/1080p resolution) included
  • average slightly weighted in favor of these reviews with a higher number of benchmarks
  • not included any 3DMark & Unigine benchmarks
  • results from Zen 2 & Coffee Lake CPUs all in the same results sphere, just a 7% difference between the lowest and the highest (average) result
  • on average the Ryzen 7 3700X is +28.5% faster than the Ryzen 7 1700X
  • on average the Ryzen 7 3700X is +15.9% faster than the Ryzen 7 2700X (on nearly the same clocks)
  • on average the Ryzen 7 3700X is +9.4% faster than the Core i7-7700K
  • on average the Ryzen 7 3700X is -1.1% slower than the Core i7-8700K
  • on average the Ryzen 7 3700X is -5.9% slower than the Core i7-9700K (but $45 cheaper)
  • on average the Ryzen 7 3700X is -6.9% slower than the Core i9-9900K (but $159 cheaper)
  • on average the Ryzen 9 3900X is +1.8% faster than the Ryzen 7 3700X
  • on average the Ryzen 9 3900X is -5.2% slower than the Core i9-9900K
  • there is just a small difference between Core i7-9700K (8C/8T) and Core i9-9900K (8C/16T) of +1.0%, indicate that HyperThreading is not very useful (on gaming) for these CPUs with 8 cores and more

Games (1%min)Tests1800X2700X3700X3900X7700K8700K9700K9900KCPU Cores

8C/16T8C/16T8C/16T12C/24T4C/8T6C/12T8C/8T8C/16TClocks (GHz)

3.6/4.03.7/4.33.6/4.43.8/4.64.2/4.53.7/4.73.6/4.93.6/5.0TDP

95W105W65W105W95W95W95W95WComputerBase(9)74%86%100%101%-97%-102%GameStar(6)86.6%92.3%100%102.7%100.3%102.8%108.6%110.4%Golem(8)72.5%83.6%100%104.7%--107.2%111.7%PCGH(6)-80.9%100%104.1%92.9%100.1%103.8%102.0%PCPer(4)89.6%92.5%100%96.1%-99.2%100.4%99.9%SweClockers(6)77.0%82.7%100%102.9%86.1%97.9%111.0%109.1%TechSpot(9)83.8%91.8%100%102.2%89.8%105.1%110.0%110.6%Tech Report(5)81.3%84.6%100%103.2%-106.6%-114.1%Tom's HW(10)74.0%83.9%100%99.5%--104.5%106.1%Perf. Avg.

77.8%86.3%100%101.8%~91%101.1%106.3%107.4%List Price

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heavy simulations have a different behavior and tax system resources different from those shooters in all the benchmarks. I bet DCS will benufit more from the added cache and the new floating point bandwidth.

 

I think it's not definitive because of bios issues (?), but XP11 benchmark shows 3700x and 3900x behind (but not far) all the intel Ks cpus (8700 -> 9900).

 

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http://www.comptoir-hardware.com/articles/cpu-mobo-ram/39273-test-amd-zen-2-x570-a-ryzen-7-3700x-ryzen-9-3900x.html?start=14

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I have 25 Bios updates since release of my Asus Z370, since Asus uses the core Bios on most if not all Z370 they sold, it is likely this counts for all Z370 boards from Asus...and likely other vendors wont have much less Bios's issued.

 

Guess WHY ?

 

Intel....no way until they fix their silicon flaws and stop hammering out UPDATE after UPDATE and still no end in sight.

 

I happily give 10 of my 120 fps away and save me that hassle.

 

check yourself : https://www.asus.com/de/Motherboards/ROG-STRIX-Z370-E-GAMING/HelpDesk_Download/

 

 

in addition...I doubt this does not apply to Z390.

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Same here, interested to see what other DCS users have to say about it.

 

I want to know what resolution those X-Plane 11 tests were done at? That's really important.

 

Almost none of the Rzyen 3700x, 3800x and 3900x reviews and accompanying benchmarks have been done at 4k resolution in video games and it's really annoying.

 

At 4k the difference is supposed to be minimal in fps between Ryzen and Intel but I want to make sure before I spend my money.

 

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I searched "Ryzen 4k benchmark" on youtube to find it . Gotta do something weird for youtube links here , and i don't recall what .

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I have 25 Bios updates since release of my Asus Z370...

 

Yes those numbers are crazy.

Personnally I had more luck with intel, no gripes, same with nvidia, but the 2 cards I had from I think ATI, it was not AMD at this time, (9800 pro and x800xt) both fried in no time …

 

There's a kind of luck, and of course quality can change.

 

My own gripe is against games that update 25 times a year, each time size between 10 and 20 GB (I have a poor 1mb/s max internet …), and when playing you feel no difference … :mad:

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TO FOLKS WANTING 4K BENCHMARKS...

 

 

 

A good CPU test has "zero" video load so as to not ruin the benchmark. Testing at 4K will give you skewed performance numbers that are essentially meaningless in the context of CPU performance. Look for 1080P benchmarks of you want to understand the impacts of the CPUs...

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TO FOLKS WANTING 4K BENCHMARKS...

 

 

 

A good CPU test has "zero" video load so as to not ruin the benchmark. Testing at 4K will give you skewed performance numbers that are essentially meaningless in the context of CPU performance. Look for 1080P benchmarks of you want to understand the impacts of the CPUs...

 

Yes, we know that, but VR has some specific requirements when it comes to CPU, so we need to wait for specific DCS VR tests.

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Sorry guys, the few times I’ve gotten it to boot, all I’ve done is basic cinebench runs. I’m more focussed on getting it to boot consistently for the time being. As soon as I get it running smoothly, I’ll do some DCS specific VR tests.

 

I’ve put my 1600X back in for the time being, waiting on a newer BIOS before trying again.

 

Pilotasso, have you got it up and running yet?

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My order is not thru, and something tells me the 3900X model will be in short supply for a while.

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If I understood this right, the 3900x die is the top of the line binning, that's why it comes later to market. The shorter the supply and the longer it takes to have enough of them to start actually selling the less top-end dies they produce.

 

Some sites mention 3900X will be sold by AMD, maybe only AMD. That would correspond with short supply and warehousing.

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That’s strange, because I preordered both the 3800X and 3900X, the plan being to take whichever came in first and cancel the other. 3800X still hasn’t come in yet, but I’ve had 3900X since Wednesday. It’s backordered again, so it must have been a small shipment. It also could be that 3900X gives more flexibility on binning, since each chiplet has 2 cores disabled, they only need 6/8 cores on each chiplet to bin well.

 

Either way, I have it but can’t use it, which is a shame as I know many are waiting on this chip. Here’s hoping for updated BIOS later this week.

 

Incidentally, not sure if I posted this, but I bought super cheap 4GB 1.2v RAM, and got the same Q code, so not sure if it’s RAM related, or maybe the chips memory controller. Also had my GSkill RAM tested, it passed. Hoping it’s just BIOS!

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That’s strange, because I preordered both the 3800X and 3900X, the plan being to take whichever came in first and cancel the other. 3800X still hasn’t come in yet, but I’ve had 3900X since Wednesday. It’s backordered again, so it must have been a small shipment. It also could be that 3900X gives more flexibility on binning, since each chiplet has 2 cores disabled, they only need 6/8 cores on each chiplet to bin well.

 

Either way, I have it but can’t use it, which is a shame as I know many are waiting on this chip. Here’s hoping for updated BIOS later this week.

 

Incidentally, not sure if I posted this, but I bought super cheap 4GB 1.2v RAM, and got the same Q code, so not sure if it’s RAM related, or maybe the chips memory controller. Also had my GSkill RAM tested, it passed. Hoping it’s just BIOS!

 

Strange? No. It's an AMD launch with the usual train wreck. :D There are no good BIOSes yet either. Installing the new CPU right now is a gamble.


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Strange? No. It's an AMD launch with the usual train wreck. :D There are no good BIOSes yet either. Installing the new CPU right now is a gamble.

 

Haha touché!

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3700x Benchmark vs old i5 3570k

 

Old setup:

CPU: i5 3570k OC (boosts up to 4.2GHz)
RAM: 24GB DDR3-1866 (CL 10-11-10)
GPU (same): Gigabyte GTX 1060 6GB

New setup:

CPU: Ryzen 3700x Stock (boosts to 4.3GHz+)
RAM: 32GB DDR4-3600 (CL 17-19-19)
GPU (same): Gigabyte GTX 1060 6GB

Game settings:

Resolution: 2560x1440
Everything on minimum or off if possible, except the following:
Textures – High, Terrain Textures – High, Visib. range - high,
Res. Of cockpit Displays: 1024EF, Preload raidus: 60500,
Anisotropic filtering: 16x,[x] Full Screen, [x] Scale GUI

Reshade: Default Lumasharpen and HDR effects on.

 

attachment.php?attachmentid=214129&stc=1&d=1563798700

 

As you can see I’m probably (and hopefully) GPU bottlenecked, and difference between 6 y.o. setup is not big.

The way I measured it is I recorded a track(Caucasus map), where your location gets shot by MLRS after some time (which causes fps drop). Camera motions and plane motions in the track are the same (or close to being so I hope). All I did after is played track 3 times and averaged the values (I start playing the track by pressing pause and about half second later I press the button to record benchmark data with MSI afterburner for 3m:16s). I will attach the track I used (you need su-25A or flaming cliffs 3 to play it).

In first day of installation 3700x performance was actually worse in 1% lows by 10 fps, but today Ryzen gods had mercy and made it slightly better.

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Old setup:

CPU: i5 3570k OC (boosts up to 4.2GHz)
RAM: 24GB DDR3-1866 (CL 10-11-10)
GPU (same): Gigabyte GTX 1060 6GB

New setup:

CPU: Ryzen 3700x Stock (boosts to 4.3GHz+)
RAM: 32GB DDR4-3600 (CL 17-19-19)
GPU (same): Gigabyte GTX 1060 6GB

Game settings:

Resolution: 2560x1440
Everything on minimum or off if possible, except the following:
Textures – High, Terrain Textures – High, Visib. range - high,
Res. Of cockpit Displays: 1024EF, Preload raidus: 60500,
Anisotropic filtering: 16x,[x] Full Screen, [x] Scale GUI

Reshade: Default Lumasharpen and HDR effects on.

 

attachment.php?attachmentid=214129&stc=1&d=1563798700

 

As you can see I’m probably (and hopefully) GPU bottlenecked, and difference between 6 y.o. setup is not big.

The way I measured it is I recorded a track(Caucasus map), where your location gets shot by MLRS after some time (which causes fps drop). Camera motions and plane motions in the track are the same (or close to being so I hope). All I did after is played track 3 times and averaged the values (I start playing the track by pressing pause and about half second later I press the button to record benchmark data with MSI afterburner for 3m:16s). I will attach the track I used (you need su-25A or flaming cliffs 3 to play it).

In first day of installation 3700x performance was actually worse in 1% lows by 10 fps, but today Ryzen gods had mercy and made it slightly better.

 

Yeah, you will probably be GPU limited with those settings on a 1060. Are you using any MSAA or PD?

 

The thing I noticed in my brief run with a 3900X was a massive increase in FPS at very low settings, but at my current highish settings, very little change except improved minimum FPS under heavy load. Before, in certain conditions I could not saturate my 1080ti as the CPU would hold me back, but now I can. If I ever get it working correctly, that is!

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The performance is worth on a slow graphics card, it is good that you put a reference file of thank you for sharing.

I just have reservations about the added reshade filter.

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