Case I Check List and Illustrations

This information was taken from Jabbers You Tubes... I work better with visuals... anyone want to comment and or look for accuracy?

F18C Carrier Case I ILL V02.pdf

F18C Case I Check List V02.pdf

Thanks Kenny! :thumbup:

Yes, thanks Kenny :thumbup:

You're welcome, let me know if anything is incorrect, I can make changes to the illustration. :)

You're welcome, let me know if anything is incorrect, I can make changes to the illustration. :)

Thank you.

A very clear and concise one-pager.

The only points I would make are:

1. Since the flight deck is at 9 degrees to the carrier's fore-and-aft line, should not the finals turn be started at 9 degrees past the beam?

2. I am not sure what the 290' marking at the threshold represents.

3. (I hesitate to put this one) the heights are given as agl.

All very minor quibbles, I know. And thanks - a copy will go in my 'Info Folder'

A few things don't look quite right to me...

The break is not a 30 degree (presumably you mean bank angle?) turn. It's whatever is necessary to pull 3.5g and maintain 800'.

Gear and flaps should be deployed as soon as airspeed is below 250kts. The position in the illustration makes it look much later.

I thought 800' was maintained throughout the break, and altitude reduced to 600' on the downwind? Might be wrong about that though.

As suggested above, the final turn should begin when approximately opposite the round down, which is perpendicular to the runway therefore ~9degs past the BRC.

Lastly, things at the bottom of the image are very compressed which makes the transition to final appear very abrupt. Appreciate it's difficult to illustrate this to scale (and also account for forward movement of the boat), but it could be much smoother. See attached image.

Thank you! Just what I need

The 290' is AGL of the deck....

The area to write it in was so small I elected to forego.

On my next rounds of corrections I'll see if I can squeeze it in.

Thank you!!!!

As suggested above, the final turn should begin when approximately opposite the round down, which is perpendicular to the runway therefore ~9degs past the BRC.

I thought the turn was inline with the back of the boat, not 9degrees past? I'd have thought that would put you too far back. I could be wrong...

I thought 800' was maintained throughout the break, and altitude reduced to 600' on the downwind? Might be wrong about that though.

This is a good question. When I started trying Case I, breaking 1.5nm in front of the boat, I waited until straight and level on downwind to descend to 600ft also. As I brought this distance down to break at the bow, I found you don't really get any downwind, so I guess you have to descend in the break? I'm also not sure what the rules/proceedure for this is either and would like to know too.

The 290' is AGL of the deck....

The area to write it in was so small I elected to forego.

On my next rounds of corrections I'll see if I can squeeze it in.

 

Thank you!!!!

You mean the deck is 290ft off the water? I don't think that's right!

I think he means deck angle. If the ship is steaming due north the deck will be at 290.

SD

I think he means deck angle. If the ship is steaming due north the deck will be at 290.

That would be right if due north were 300 degrees.

 

3. (I hesitate to put this one) the heights are given as agl.

 

As they should be. MSL is useless in this case and since we have a radar altimeter, AGL is far more precise in terms of hitting the same numbers every time.

I thought 800' was maintained throughout the break, and altitude reduced to 600' on the downwind? Might be wrong about that though.

This is a good question. When I started trying Case I, breaking 1.5nm in front of the boat, I waited until straight and level on downwind to descend to 600ft also. As I brought this distance down to break at the bow, I found you don't really get any downwind, so I guess you have to descend in the break? I'm also not sure what the rules/proceedure for this is either and would like to know too.

You should try to maintain 800' throughout the break. Reason: If you would start decending during the break, you wouldn't reduce airspeed as much as if you keep your nose high enough and pull G enough to remain on altitude.

(Source: Lex and Gregory Brett)

That said, personally I usually start decending gradually just before I reach the downwind (10 degrees before or so), since I feel it gives me a smoother transition to the downwind decent. That is just my own technique though, and I don't know if anyone uses it IRL.

To All!

Thank you for the input, I made changes to both PDF files. The newest ones are re-downloaded in the original thread. Both are V02. I included every comment, I think! :)

Ken

Thanks Bankler.

The "180" is 180* from BRC. Not the angle.

All attitudes are flown off the rad alt at the boat.

The NATOPS has this diagram you may consider adding to. It is at perspective and not plain form however.

Hope this helps.

Thanks this is excellent ;D

You mean the deck is 290ft off the water? I don't think that's right!

I apologize,,, that was a typo... I meant 90'

as in 90' above the water line.... :\

I apologize,,, that was a typo... I meant 90'

as in 90' above the water line.... :\

Deck is 50' above the water (actually 52-54)

change to the change

Deck is 50' above the water (actually 52-54)

Damn it..... lol.... I'll make the change and just leave it version V02

thank you!

You should try to maintain 800' throughout the break. Reason: If you would start decending during the break, you wouldn't reduce airspeed as much as if you keep your nose high enough and pull G enough to remain on altitude.

 

(Source: Lex and Gregory Brett)

 

That said, personally I usually start decending gradually just before I reach the downwind (10 degrees before or so), since I feel it gives me a smoother transition to the downwind decent. That is just my own technique though, and I don't know if anyone uses it IRL.

Yeah.. I think it's a level break, so it's not about trying..you have to maintain 800'

Other points.

- Break 0.5 - 1nm --> Quoting Gregory Brett "Don't break until you pass 1nm pass the ship" It's awkward to break before that

- I don't think the 30 degrees bank angle should be a hard number, It's a level turn, and your angle should and will vary depending on your configuration.

- VVI on the groove is to help alignment, and should be used only as a reference until you acquire the ball.

Nice one cheers!

And that was corrected to 52' as in the height of the deck from the waterline