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As we know, the F-18 has an "ICLS" system. As of today, this system has only an aircraft carrier, which makes it difficult to land in bad weather at ordinary airports.

Is there plans to introduce this system at ground airports, maybe at these airports what "ILS" already have? Is there plans to upgrade airports, TACAN, ILS, ICLS?

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Why don't they (ED) look into adding the landbase ils option? Let's be realistic here.. this is just a representation of the Aircraft.... it is not modelled exactly like the real aircraft, they (ED) are not allowed. So a feature like adding the land based ILS (which some Countries have) would be nice and would not distract from the simulation/atmosphere.

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i don't see a problem landing on an airfield without ILS under bad weather conditions.

 

 

1st - Setup TACAN

2nd - Setup course on HSI

3rd - Start your approach from 10nm @ 3000ft with a glidescope of -3 degree

4th - If you can't see the runway at 1nm distance, Abort landing! choose a different airfield

5th - If you see the runway at 1nm distance, bring her home

 

 

I'm not sure but i think Wags showed us this in one instructional Video.

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Going this way, of course, I can land in the local Aero Club or in my wife's garden. However, we are talking about large airports, which are not currently damaged or disaster-stricken. :)

The best hope would be for ED to introduce/model a land based unit that could be ascribed the same advanced waypoint options as an aircraft carrier i.e. TACAN and ICLS. It could then be placed near and aligned with which ever runway a mission designer wished i.e. in the same way the compact AN/TPN-30 (~40NM TACAN / ~10NM ICLS) is used in real life for FCLP / temporary airfields.

 

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How many airports in the Caucasus has TACAN? ILS has more ... And how is visibility up to 100-200m, fog like milk, fuel is missing?

You shouldn't be returning home running on fumes though. Set your Bingo so you have enough fuel to either hit a tanker or divert to another airfield.

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There is no ILS on the US F/A-18C’s. It is fitted to some countries that have land based Hornets but they aren’t the version modelled here.

 

No ILS is modelled wrong IRL the Hornet has ILS which is a freq. It is ACLS that has channels for auto landing. On the Carrier pilots use ACLS but not Auto land, they use the ACLS bars without engaging Autopilot to land.:thumbup:

ACLS cannot use ILS for Auto landing so it is for Carriers only.

Hornets have ILS, any airport that has ILS should be compatible with the Hornets ILS even Russian Airports and Aerodromes.:joystick:

It would be good if ED were aware of this and modelled it realistically. When the Hornet was built it was designed to land in any weather and ILS for use on runways is a critical system for IFR which always happens. Anyone who tells you that the Hornet does not have ILS to use on runways is not a Hornet PILOT!:doh:

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i don't see a problem landing on an airfield without ILS under bad weather conditions.

 

 

1st - Setup TACAN

2nd - Setup course on HSI

3rd - Start your approach from 10nm @ 3000ft with a glidescope of -3 degree

4th - If you can't see the runway at 1nm distance, Abort landing! choose a different airfield

5th - If you see the runway at 1nm distance, bring her home

 

 

I'm not sure but i think Wags showed us this in one instructional Video.

 

The real Hornet has ILS, F-16 has ILS, SuperHornet has ILS, F-15 has ILS. The real Hornet has ILS!!!

ILS on the Carrier is actually ACLS not ILS and gives a different glideslope to that of runways. The pilots selects ACLS and set channel, the ILS is supposed to be a frequency not channel.:doh:

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No ILS is modelled wrong IRL the Hornet has ILS which is a freq. It is ACLS that has channels for auto landing. On the Carrier pilots use ACLS but not Auto land, they use the ACLS bars without engaging Autopilot to land.:thumbup:

ACLS cannot use ILS for Auto landing so it is for Carriers only.

Hornets have ILS, any airport that has ILS should be compatible with the Hornets ILS even Russian Airports and Aerodromes.:joystick:

It would be good if ED were aware of this and modelled it realistically. When the Hornet was built it was designed to land in any weather and ILS for use on runways is a critical system for IFR which always happens. Anyone who tells you that the Hornet does not have ILS to use on runways is not a Hornet PILOT!:doh:

 

Sorry, dude, but this is entirely wrong. Other countries besides the US may have added ILS to their F/A-18s, but American F/A-18s remain without it. Your only options for approaches ashore are TACAN, PAR, or ASR. Supposedly, some Naval Air Stations have ICLS at the airfield, but the signals there and at the carrier are different from civil ILS which will not work with the F/A-18's ICLS receiver.

 

Super Hornets received RNAV capability in the last few years, and Marine legacy Hornets in the last few months, but this only includes LNAV approaches, not LNAV/VNAV or LPV.

 

Yes, you can use the UFC to create precise waypoints with elevation and use them to create an artificial glideslope if you want. Put them a mile apart starting at the runway numbers going up 300 feet each mile on the final approach course. Just understand that this is not a realistic practice, nor is it legal by any stretch of the imagination under FAA or ICAO regulations. The F/A-18's GPS lacks Receiver Autonomous Integrity Monitoring, so it has no way of determining and alerting the pilot to bad satellite data.

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The real Hornet has ILS, F-16 has ILS, SuperHornet has ILS, F-15 has ILS. The real Hornet has ILS!!!

ILS on the Carrier is actually ACLS not ILS and gives a different glideslope to that of runways. The pilots selects ACLS and set channel, the ILS is supposed to be a frequency not channel.:doh:

 

Wow....so much bad information.

 

Please do some research before you post this stuff.

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The real Hornet has ILS, F-16 has ILS, SuperHornet has ILS, F-15 has ILS. The real Hornet has ILS!!!

ILS on the Carrier is actually ACLS not ILS and gives a different glideslope to that of runways. The pilots selects ACLS and set channel, the ILS is supposed to be a frequency not channel.:doh:

 

ILS, ICLS and ACLS are 3 separate systems. The hornet has ICLS and ACLS but not ILS.

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The real Hornet has ILS, F-16 has ILS, SuperHornet has ILS, F-15 has ILS. The real Hornet has ILS!!!

 

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Sorry, dude, but this is entirely wrong. Other countries besides the US may have added ILS to their F/A-18s, but American F/A-18s remain without it. Your only options for approaches ashore are TACAN, PAR, or ASR. Supposedly, some Naval Air Stations have ICLS at the airfield, but the signals there and at the carrier are different from civil ILS which will not work with the F/A-18's ICLS receiver.

 

Super Hornets received RNAV capability in the last few years, and Marine legacy Hornets in the last few months, but this only includes LNAV approaches, not LNAV/VNAV or LPV.

 

Yes, you can use the UFC to create precise waypoints with elevation and use them to create an artificial glideslope if you want. Put them a mile apart starting at the runway numbers going up 300 feet each mile on the final approach course. Just understand that this is not a realistic practice, nor is it legal by any stretch of the imagination under FAA or ICAO regulations. The F/A-18's GPS lacks Receiver Autonomous Integrity Monitoring, so it has no way of determining and alerting the pilot to bad satellite data.

 

No the real Hornet F/A-18A and C have ILS. ACLS is channels, ILS is always frequency on all aircraft it is exactly like the F-16.

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Wow....so much bad information.

 

Please do some research before you post this stuff.

 

No the real F/A-18A and C have ILS as does the Superhornet. ACLS has channels, that is where the needles come from for carrier landings. ILS is for runways, entry should be frequency for ILS. Go AND TALK TO A REAL HORNET PILOT AND ASK HIM OR HER!!!:doh:

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No the real F/A-18A and C have ILS as does the Superhornet. ACLS has channels, that is where the needles come from for carrier landings. ILS is for runways, entry should be frequency for ILS. Go AND TALK TO A REAL HORNET PILOT AND ASK HIM OR HER!!!:doh:

 

No, they don't. You'd have to talk to a marine guy if they have switched over legacies to ILS boxes, however rhinos do not have ILS, only ICLS/ACLS as mentioned (edit: and RNAV as previously mentioned in higher lots). Growlers have the ILS box. Many want ILS to come to the rhino, but it's not here yet. Furthermore, for this time period with the US chuck, it absolutely did NOT have ILS. Fighter bases generally try to have an ICLS cart on a runway for bad weather days however. ICLS is selected via channel like implemented in game.


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No the real F/A-18A and C have ILS as does the Superhornet. ACLS has channels, that is where the needles come from for carrier landings. ILS is for runways, entry should be frequency for ILS. Go AND TALK TO A REAL HORNET PILOT AND ASK HIM OR HER!!!:doh:

 

Perhaps your confusion is from talking to Aussie Hornet pilots or getting information on the Aussie Hornets? They did replace the carrier ILS and ACLS with a land based ILS/VOR receiver along with removing equipment for carrier ops but that is not the version of the Hornet modelled in DCS.

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No the real F/A-18A and C have ILS as does the Superhornet. ACLS has channels, that is where the needles come from for carrier landings. ILS is for runways, entry should be frequency for ILS. Go AND TALK TO A REAL HORNET PILOT AND ASK HIM OR HER!!!:doh:

 

The US NAVY Hornet of the time period modelled in DCS Did not have ILS

 

Lots of other Hornets, including the Blue Angel jets have ILS, but not the US Navy aircraft.

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