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Old 11-06-2019, 06:24 PM   #1
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Default Have the Hornet devs moved back from the Viper?

As in the title we have not been told that they have, and it has been 8 weeks now (iirc) since we were told they had (edit: been moved to help with the Viper)

Have they ALL moved back?

And if not, what is the backstop ED can give us (last date at which they will be working on the Viper before being moved back irrespective of Viper status).

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Old 11-06-2019, 06:34 PM   #2
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great, everyone's a manager
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Folks, how about letting the devs work as they seem fit to do what works best instead of all this remote managing from people who have no clue of the actual work?

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Old 11-06-2019, 06:39 PM   #4
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Funnily enough, yes I am. But I’m also a paying customer who is concerned that the product I paid for is not being worked on to the best of the companies ability.

As a comparison example, If had I paid money for building work, and the building work was going slowly, and my next door neighbour had building work being done that started after mine and I can see it’s the same guys, I would be asking exactly the same question, as would you. Why should ED be protected from others from answering such a straight forward and open question?

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Old 11-06-2019, 07:30 PM   #5
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and if you spent as much time chasing these hypothetical builders to answer your multitude of questions and constant criticisms, instead of just trusting their ability to schedule their work, for the good of all of their customers, how much faster do you think they would get the job done?
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Old 11-06-2019, 07:32 PM   #6
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I think its unfair to say about manager's - this is a forum and people can raise or voice their feelings/thoughts.

However this has been raised before in terms of concerns. I think the context to this is that people easily forget the community was told earlier this year that the F16 development would in no way affect the rollout or Early Access status of the F18. At the time i think it was fair to say a few of us rolled our eyes and thought that wouldn't be the case which has since proven to be correct.

It is also fair to say that since the end of July there has not really been any major advancements in the Hornet systems for early access and that is a full quarter. There are many outstanding issues and systems that need development, the TGP has had nothing more done and it is currently very basic with key features missing, even the HUD marker. We all know the key systems the hornet drivers are waiting on being TWS, AG radar, TGP completion etc.

The issue as i always say is ED's communication is generally very poor on milestone developments, even if they said Q3/Q4 target date for this or that system its not the time taken its the apparent lack of direction and treating paying customers like mushrooms. This was highlighted about a month ago and we got a brief statement on plans for both the hornet and the viper.

Whilst we are appreciative of this great simulation we should also remember that this is not BMS or community developed and given that it is payware ED should quite rightly have to communicate to their customers like any other commercial venture. It is also correct that they are brought to task when they go back on their promises or don't deliver a system.

Releasing the Viper has clearly annoyed some customers given the broken promise of it not impacting the Hornet. I have also noted numerous people saying that they will no longer purchase the Viper EA because its supporting ED's policy of moving on and not finishing modules, encouraging endless EA and chasing the next cash source - that said without support remember what happened to Mircoprose.....
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I think its unfair to say about manager's - this is a forum and people can raise or voice their feelings/thoughts.

However this has been raised before in terms of concerns. I think the context to this is that people easily forget the community was told earlier this year that the F16 development would in no way affect the rollout or Early Access status of the F18. At the time i think it was fair to say a few of us rolled our eyes and thought that wouldn't be the case which has since proven to be correct.

It is also fair to say that since the end of July there has not really been any major advancements in the Hornet systems for early access and that is a full quarter. There are many outstanding issues and systems that need development, the TGP has had nothing more done and it is currently very basic with key features missing, even the HUD marker. We all know the key systems the hornet drivers are waiting on being TWS, AG radar, TGP completion etc.

The issue as i always say is ED's communication is generally very poor on milestone developments, even if they said Q3/Q4 target date for this or that system its not the time taken its the apparent lack of direction and treating paying customers like mushrooms. This was highlighted about a month ago and we got a brief statement on plans for both the hornet and the viper.

Whilst we are appreciative of this great simulation we should also remember that this is not BMS or community developed and given that it is payware ED should quite rightly have to communicate to their customers like any other commercial venture. It is also correct that they are brought to task when they go back on their promises or don't deliver a system.

Releasing the Viper has clearly annoyed some customers given the broken promise of it not impacting the Hornet. I have also noted numerous people saying that they will no longer purchase the Viper EA because its supporting ED's policy of moving on and not finishing modules, encouraging endless EA and chasing the next cash source - that said without support remember what happened to Mircoprose.....
Thanks for a great response.
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Old 11-06-2019, 07:37 PM   #9
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and if you spent as much time chasing these hypothetical builders to answer your multitude of questions and constant criticisms, instead of just trusting their ability to schedule their work, for the good of all of their customers, how much faster do you think they would get the job done?
This is not about dev time - i think you have completely missed the point - its about the poor communication from both the community managers and in fairness to the top including Wags.

Also leaving dev's to just get on with stuff as one quote said - lol. This is about project management and communicating to the customers what their intention's are with milestone's. You know like the rest of the real world.
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Old 11-06-2019, 07:43 PM   #10
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Unfortunately, this thread wasn't raised as a "concern". It was a question, veiled as an expectation.
When you're unaware of the current project plan, timescales, risks, issue and so on, it really isn't a great idea to try to micro-manage another delivery team.
If you're a manager, you should know better.

Just let them do their jobs.
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