Motosuwa Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 So, I've noticed on your site the Hawk is now stating; "Attention! Starting DCS World version 2.5.4 this module will be unavailable! Please use DCS World version 2.5.3 or below!" To me this shows there will be no more work on the aircraft and that means that it's an unfinished product. So at this point all that have purchased the Hawk (Myself included) have basically given ED and VEAO free money - Yes, you're "allowing" us to use an old build to fly the current state but that's restricting access to something we have purchased. Will there be a refund for this for those who wish to apply for it? There will be people applying cases for a refund under the consumer rights or maybe take it further. Link to comment
504smudge Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 I think it wouldn't be unreasonable for ED to give a store credit/loyalty discount for next purchase for those that have the Hawk. I know it's available on a earlier version, but is there a way to keep that version? or download it in the future if you don't already have it? This whole thing is rotten, it's sad that VEAO folded, but it currently feels like we have been out in the cold, so to speak. Eagles may soar but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. https://www.youtube.com/user/504smudge https://www.facebook.com/504smudge Link to comment
RuskyV Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 I would be happy if they offered me the NS430 Navigation system as some sort of compensation, instead of a full refund.... Link to comment
Svsmokey Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 I think it wouldn't be unreasonable for ED to give a store credit/loyalty discount for next purchase for those that have the Hawk. I know it's available on a earlier version, but is there a way to keep that version? or download it in the future if you don't already have it? This whole thing is rotten, it's sad that VEAO folded, but it currently feels like we have been out in the cold, so to speak. Yes . You can keep 2.3 for the Hawk , and download 2.4+ as well for everything else . 9700k @ stock , Aorus Pro Z390 wifi , 32gb 3200 mhz CL16 , 1tb EVO 970 , MSI RX 6800XT Gaming X TRIO , Seasonic Prime 850w Gold , Coolermaster H500m , Noctua NH-D15S , CH Pro throttle and T50CM2/WarBrD base on Foxxmounts , CH pedals , Reverb G2v2 Link to comment
Mars Exulte Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Did you really need to open your own thread for this already heavily discussed topic? Guess what, when they went from 1.5.8 to 2.5 there was a drop in compatability. People either stayed with the old or updated to the new, losing or gaining access accordingly. That is far from a new phenomenom. No, Hawk owners are not super special cases. You can keep a Hawk compatibile version of the game or not. That is a choice nobody is making for you. You STILL HAVE ACCESS TO IT. Do not repeat bs implying you don't. And as has been stated at length in the OTHER thread before your suuuuuper special one, it is not as simple as just continuing to allow it. It requires dev resources to actively maintain compatability, resources that at present are allocated toward other projects. Additionally, considering they're going in behind other people to work on their code, assuming VEAO even gives it to them, it's probably going to be down a while anyway during the transition. ' Now, are you ready to go read the MAIN thread or do we need to have all the same conversations again just for you? Де вороги, знайдуться козаки їх перемогти. 5800x3d * 3090 * 64gb * Reverb G2 Link to comment
RuskyV Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Did you really need to open your own thread for this already heavily discussed topic? Guess what, when they went from 1.5.8 to 2.5 there was a drop in compatability. People either stayed with the old or updated to the new, losing or gaining access accordingly. That is far from a new phenomenom. No, Hawk owners are not super special cases. You can keep a Hawk compatibile version of the game or not. That is a choice nobody is making for you. You STILL HAVE ACCESS TO IT. Do not repeat bs implying you don't. And as has been stated at length in the OTHER thread before your suuuuuper special one, it is not as simple as just continuing to allow it. It requires dev resources to actively maintain compatability, resources that at present are allocated toward other projects. Additionally, considering they're going in behind other people to work on their code, assuming VEAO even gives it to them, it's probably going to be down a while anyway during the transition. ' Now, are you ready to go read the MAIN thread or do we need to have all the same conversations again just for you? Excuse me but who are you anyway? Link to comment
Motosuwa Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) Did you really need to open your own thread for this already heavily discussed topic? Yup. Guess what, when they went from 1.5.8 to 2.5 there was a drop in compatability. People either stayed with the old or updated to the new, losing or gaining access accordingly. That is far from a new phenomenom. No, Hawk owners are not super special cases. You can keep a Hawk compatibile version of the game or not. That is a choice nobody is making for you. You STILL HAVE ACCESS TO IT. Do not repeat bs implying you don't. (Seeing how you replied in caps, I shall do the same! :D) YES I STILL HAVE ACCESS TO IT BUT LIKE I SAID, FOR HOW LONG? I'M NOT REPEATING BS, I WANT SOME ANSWERS LIKE WE ALL DO. CALLING US ALL "SUPER SPECIAL CASES BECAUSE WE BOUGHT A PRODUCT IS A LITTLE HARSH, NO? JUST BECAUSE YOU DODGED A BULLET. And as has been stated at length in the OTHER thread before your suuuuuper special one, it is not as simple as just continuing to allow it. It requires dev resources to actively maintain compatability, resources that at present are allocated toward other projects. Additionally, considering they're going in behind other people to work on their code, assuming VEAO even gives it to them, it's probably going to be down a while anyway during the transition. ' Again, we just want answers - Simple. The more posts that are made the higher chance something might get done / we get answers. It's standard. Now, are you ready to go read the MAIN thread or do we need to have all the same conversations again just for you? How about you get off your high horse you giant waste of life and do us all a favour and just stop wasting peoples (including yourself) time reading your totally pointless little crap. Edited December 18, 2018 by Motosuwa Link to comment
Buzzles Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 We've already got a thread on this: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=227244&page=10 And it's already got some of the answers you seek from NineLine. Fancy trying Star Citizen? Click here! Link to comment
MustangSally Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Really mate!! A separate thread because you can't be bothered clicking on the "Hawk" thread??? Ryzen 9 7950X3D - MSI MAG X670E TomaHawk MB, ASUS ROG Ryujin III 360 AIO 64gig Corsair DDR5@6000, Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 AORUS Winwing Super Taurus, Orion2, TO / Combat panels, Collective with Topgun MIP Winwing Skywalker pedals, NLR Boeing Mil Edition Simpit, Trackir Link to comment
aileron Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Im sure this thread has violated a rule or two and will be closed soon enough... not to mention name calling might get op banned for a short stint. Link to comment
AG-51_Sabot Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Why is VEAO even allowed to have a sub forum? "There is an art … to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy https://www.cag-51.org/contact Link to comment
Mars Exulte Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 #1 I own the Hawk, I didn't dodge anything. I just don't think I should get a voucher over something that wasn't ED's fault and that afaik they are probably still working on behind the scenes negotiating. #2 They can't give answers until they have them. More people yelling insistently does not make them appear when they do not exist. Nor is taking rash action to please the mob a good idea. The fact you don't understand that is not a great testament to your reasoning ability. #3 If mild sarcasm and impatience is all it takes for you to label someone a waste of life, I'd say you have anger issues and need to leave this to the adults. My response, while terse, was far from useless, explaining several points and directing you to go to the extremely obvious thread where this is all ALREADY been discussed and many of your questions have more detailed answers. I take that back, my time here has indeed been wasted as you probably are unable to grasp most of what's been said. Alas, tis a sacrifice I made and can't take back. My 60 seconds gone forever... I could have microwaved some nachos instead of talking to you. Де вороги, знайдуться козаки їх перемогти. 5800x3d * 3090 * 64gb * Reverb G2 Link to comment
Worrazen Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Why is VEAO even allowed to have a sub forum? I agree with ED not taking rash decisions, no need to rush anything, unlike hollywood which cancels multi-million dollar shows on a whim based on 1 tweet on sunday morning, let things play out, and it wouldn't be deleted, it would just be archived, it could be back, someone else could pick up the project, who knows. Modules: A-10C I/II, F/A-18C, Mig-21Bis, M-2000C, AJS-37, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, P-47, FC3, SC, CA, WW2AP, CE2. Terrains: NTTR, Normandy, Persian Gulf, Syria Link to comment
Mizzy Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Why is VEAO even allowed to have a sub forum? I agree. I suggested that ED take the Hawk off their module list ages ago as it was evident VEAO was not up to standard. It's best they remove the forum like they did with 'Iris' years ago. The latter were also not up to par. Mizzy Link to comment
Mimes Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Hello, I may be in minority but I very much love the Hawk module and am very sad it will not be available in DCS version 2.5.4 onwards. Hawk, you will be sadly missed but I will still fly Hawk in previous versions. Kind regards, Mimes "Joined forum in 2004 but flying Flanker since 1995 :o)" Link to comment
TOViper Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Hello, I may be in minority but I very much love the Hawk module and am very sad it will not be available in DCS version 2.5.4 onwards. Hawk, you will be sadly missed but I will still fly Hawk in previous versions. :cry: +1 Visit https://www.viggen.training ...Viggen... what more can you ask for? my computer: AMD Ryzen 5600G | NVIDIA GTX 1080 Ti OC 11GB | 32 GB 3200 MHz DDR4 DUAL | SSD 980 256 GB SYS + SSD 2TB DCS | TM Warthog Stick + Throttle + TPR | Rift CV1 Link to comment
rrohde Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Again, we just want answers - Simple. I bought the Hawk as well, and I don't want 'answers'. What else is there to need answers for? It was a sub-par product from the beginning that now no longer works. Because of this, a lot of folks have moved on long before VAEO folded and have flown other DCS modules and don't think about the Hawk anymore. Water under the bridge. PC: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X | MSI Suprim GeForce 3090 TI | ASUS Prime X570-P | 128GB DDR4 3600 RAM | 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD | Win10 Pro 64bit Gear: HP Reverb G2 | JetPad FSE | VKB Gunfighter Pro Mk.III w/ MCG Ultimate VKBcontrollers.com Link to comment
TOViper Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 I bought the Hawk as well, and I don't want 'answers'. What else is there to need answers for? It was a sub-par product from the beginning that now no longer works. Because of this, a lot of folks have moved on long before VAEO folded and have flown other DCS modules and don't think about the Hawk anymore. Water under the bridge. It is not a matter of moving on or not. I think every user of the Hawk is moving on, but knowing that the Hawk might be taken out for future versions don't make us friends of the Hawk happy. Thus we are (at least I am) requesting certainty of what will come in order to prepare another SSD harddisk for keeping a copy of 2.5.3.xxxxx ED has a difficult issue to solve, and this circumstance is now very well known after some information given by NineLine. My concerns regarding the Hawk during the last weeks have been: 1.) ED, please don't forget the Hawk pilots who still love and fly the Hawk (and I think the didn't forget us, at least I have the feeling that they really do) 2.) Tell all "Hawk haters", "professional Hawk abandoners" and "convincers that the Hawk is mud" that their opionion is accepted in the same way as the opinion of all "Hawk lovers and pilots" is accepted. As easy as this. Nothing more, nothing less. Hope I got the right words, its late .... Visit https://www.viggen.training ...Viggen... what more can you ask for? my computer: AMD Ryzen 5600G | NVIDIA GTX 1080 Ti OC 11GB | 32 GB 3200 MHz DDR4 DUAL | SSD 980 256 GB SYS + SSD 2TB DCS | TM Warthog Stick + Throttle + TPR | Rift CV1 Link to comment
ED Team NineLine Posted December 23, 2018 ED Team Share Posted December 23, 2018 Please, once again, understand it is currently out of ED's hands. It is not a matter of moving on or not. I think every user of the Hawk is moving on, but knowing that the Hawk might be taken out for future versions don't make us friends of the Hawk happy. Thus we are (at least I am) requesting certainty of what will come in order to prepare another SSD harddisk for keeping a copy of 2.5.3.xxxxx ED has a difficult issue to solve, and this circumstance is now very well known after some information given by NineLine. My concerns regarding the Hawk during the last weeks have been: 1.) ED, please don't forget the Hawk pilots who still love and fly the Hawk (and I think the didn't forget us, at least I have the feeling that they really do) 2.) Tell all "Hawk haters", "professional Hawk abandoners" and "convincers that the Hawk is mud" that their opionion is accepted in the same way as the opinion of all "Hawk lovers and pilots" is accepted. As easy as this. Nothing more, nothing less. Hope I got the right words, its late .... Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment
D0rmicum Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Just my „Hawk-story“: after having a break of flightsimming / gaming for a couple of years due to lack of time I built a new rig, invested in some fancy hardware like the Thrustmaster HOTAS, latest TrackIR, etc., installed DCS World, installed my „old“ modules (UH1) and FC3. After having all this stuff installed, I was browsing the ED store and invested some more money on the Hawk, Nevada and another module about one or two weeks before this years autumn sale. During the autumn sale I invested in even more modules. I haven‘t read thousands of threads to figure out how reliable 3rd party developers are (VEAO reputation) or even one EULA but I trusted the ED store in selling software that‘s at least a little bit protected agains circumstances like the „Hawk issue“. Having said this I don‘t blame ED or expect anything from a legal perspective - it‘s just annoying writing off money without having used the Hawk for a longer period of time. Not upgrading is no option for me as I prefer having my software up to date. My learning out of this case: don’t buying any module for the regular price in future. I‘ll wait for a sale in so I don‘t feel like a fool. I know that may be not fair but as I‘m not confident that such a case won‘t happen again at the moment that‘s my reaction to the Hawk dilemma. I really appreciate NineLines explanations and this shows, that there‘s something going on behind the scenes but what would have strengthened my trust in ED would have been an official statement from ED like: we are aware of this uncomfortable situation and working on a solution. Unfortunately we can‘t guarantee the outcome but if we can’t find a solution with VEAO we will provide a 10% off on module xy for all Hawk owners voluntarily to show our goodwill and as thank you for your understanding. Making a long story short: I‘m not angry and don‘t blame ED for anything. Loving the Hawk and DCS I would have appreciated a more pro active and open communication from ED to the community. That‘s it. Modules and maps: all of them :doh: Specs: ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-I, Intel i7-8086K@4.9GHz, 32GB Corsair Vengance RAM, Nvidia RTX 2080 FE, 2x1 TB Samsung EVO 970 M.2, WIN10 64bit, HP Reverb Link to comment
Mars Exulte Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Dormicum... Nineline is ED personnel. He has said like 15 times they're 'aware' and 'working on a solution'. At this point I suppose he's getting tired of repeating himself. These kind of negotiations don't happen overnight. They've said, over and over, they're talking to VEAO and will let us know when there is something to tell. It's only been a very short time. Де вороги, знайдуться козаки їх перемогти. 5800x3d * 3090 * 64gb * Reverb G2 Link to comment
D0rmicum Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Haven‘t been aware that NineLine is ED staff and giving official statements. Community manager as title in a forum ist for me not automatically a person who is giving official statements in such cases. Good to know how this works here. In my opinion a sticky with a title like „statement of ED“ would have been more helpfull than repeating answers in threads of other people over and over again. Don‘t get me wrong: I‘m not blaming anyone here but telling you my story and impressions with suggestions how to improve for the next time if (hopefully not) something like tis happens again. Modules and maps: all of them :doh: Specs: ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-I, Intel i7-8086K@4.9GHz, 32GB Corsair Vengance RAM, Nvidia RTX 2080 FE, 2x1 TB Samsung EVO 970 M.2, WIN10 64bit, HP Reverb Link to comment
Coxy_99 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 giving official statements in such cases. There is already one a statement from both VEAO and ED Quit opening threads (Not at you personally but everytime i view the forums its the same thing) .......................... Link to comment
fl0w Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Agreed. These repeated threads are getting fairly annoying now and complaining about the same points which many users have already pitched in their thoughts on. Link to comment
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