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Old 08-02-2016, 01:23 AM   #111
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Yes I am working mainly with this site. Do you by any chance know what "CAC ops" or "CB ops" abbreviates for? I would really like to know what ops stands for.
CAC = Category AC; ops = operations. Combined, it means that the damage was sustained during an operational sortie

There were several damage categories ranging from A = minor, usually repairable by the unit, to E, which was essentially a right-off. Within each category, there were also sub-categories; eg: C1, C2, C3
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OK, so lets take RB152 as example.

FF 3-12-43 39MU 27-12-43 610S 14-2-44 AST 8-5-44 'Gem' mods 610S CAC ops 24-6-44 ros 350S 22-2-45 CAC ops 28-2-45 130S 5-4-45 3BRU CE 23-11-46

610S CAC ops 24-6-44 -> So, with 610 Sqd the ac during operations sustained category AC damage on 24.06.44.

Next entry is: ros 350S 22-2-45 -> On 22.02.45 the ac was repaired on site by 350 Sqd.

How is this correctly interpreted? Category AC repair is beyond unit capacity, thats clear. So was it transferred to RSU/MU/factory sometime after 24.06.44, repaired there and returned to 610 Sqd or afterwards directly reassigned to 350 Sqd. Or was it repaired on site by 350 Sqd at 22.02.45, or is the ros entry related to a second accident? This is all but unambiguous.

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OK, so lets take RB152 as example.

FF 3-12-43 39MU 27-12-43 610S 14-2-44 AST 8-5-44 'Gem' mods 610S CAC ops 24-6-44 ros 350S 22-2-45 CAC ops 28-2-45 130S 5-4-45 3BRU CE 23-11-46

610S CAC ops 24-6-44 -> So, with 610 Sqd the ac during operations sustained category AC damage on 24.06.44.

Next entry is: ros 350S 22-2-45 -> On 22.02.45 the ac was repaired on site by 350 Sqd.

How is this correctly interpreted? Category AC repair is beyond unit capacity, thats clear. So was it transferred to RSU/MU/factory sometime after 24.06.44, repaired there and returned to 610 Sqd or afterwards directly reassigned to 350 Sqd. Or was it repaired on site by 350 Sqd at 22.02.45, or is the ros entry related to a second accident? This is all but unambiguous.
See RAF Repair Categories WW 2

The entry should read as follows: 610S CAC ops 24-6-44 ros, then 350S 22-2-45 CAC ops 28-2-45 :

thus, RB152 was damaged - possibly on the same day - and repaired on site by an outside repair unit on June 24, 1944: on 22 Feb '45, it had been transferred to 350 Sqn directly from 610 Sqn.

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Old 08-03-2016, 09:36 AM   #114
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Some go too far in speaking against that site.
Indeed they do, particularly certain people who run a "rival" website

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...And than posting 200 accounts of spitfire pilots shooting down german planes .And no german account or far too few of germans doing the same to the british planes.
What's interesting about all these complaints that the site is biased, is that not one of the complainants has actually demonstrated that oodles of German combat reports &/etc can be found in - say - the Bundesarchiv, to redress the purported bias, nor have any of the complainants ever offered to help by going to the time and considerable expense involved in digging out any such documents and posting them on the net, for the rest of us to download for free.
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It would be lovely if someone could just list Spitfire XIV air to air victories against Luftwaffe manned planes between January -september instead of dubious alternate history snippets from long discredited revisonist sites.
You need "Fighter Command War Diaries" volumes 4 and 5 by John Foreman for that
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What's interesting about all these complaints that the site is biased, is that not one of the complainants has actually demonstrated that oodles of German combat reports &/etc can be found in - say - the Bundesarchiv, to redress the purported bias, nor have any of the complainants ever offered to help by going to the time and considerable expense involved in digging out any such documents and posting them on the net, for the rest of us to download for free.
Fortunately, one can justifiably criticize a published work without having to redress its omissions himself.
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Fortunately, one can justifiably criticize a published work without having to redress its omissions himself.
Fortunately, one can also justifiably criticize the critics for making accusations of bias, when the critics don't seem to understand the processes involved in finding and posting German combat reports etc. It takes dedication, lots of hard work and stacks of money - even so, there's no guarantee that such documents will actually be found and/or made available to the public.
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