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Old 02-04-2019, 09:34 AM   #1
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:31 PM   #2
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Well, its actually happening, new F-15EX are coming along to replace the C models. Planned total of 144. First F-15 for USAF since what 2003?
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Well, its actually happening, new F-15EX are coming along to replace the C models. Planned total of 144. First F-15 for USAF since what 2003?
Um...

No.

They're only buying 8, and there's no stated plans for 144 more.

8 F-15X's won't do anything.
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waste of money, boeing lobbyists strike again
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Old 03-15-2019, 02:59 PM   #6
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Of the available options to the usaf to replace the aging F-15C airframes this is hands down the best choice IMO

F-16 can’t do the job. It’s to slow, can’t fly high enough, and has very poor range.
F-35 can’t do it for many of the same reasons. It’s just not designed as an air sovereignty fighter.
F-22 is way to expensive to get in the numbers needed, and it’s likely overqualified until 2040.

So why not just fix the problem with itself. The F-15 is still very relevant as a fighter and will be for some time, especially in the defensive role. (F-15C needs to replaced because their airframes are reaching the end of their service lives, NOT because they’re outdated) The support system is already in place, pilots are trained, RD work on the jet is done.

It’s the most cost effective and least risky solution.
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I feel nauseated every time I see an F-15 with two seats.... Just not right!!!
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Of the available options to the usaf to replace the aging F-15C airframes this is hands down the best choice IMO

F-16 can’t do the job. It’s to slow, can’t fly high enough, and has very poor range.
F-35 can’t do it for many of the same reasons. It’s just not designed as an air sovereignty fighter.
F-22 is way to expensive to get in the numbers needed, and it’s likely overqualified until 2040.

So why not just fix the problem with itself. The F-15 is still very relevant as a fighter and will be for some time, especially in the defensive role. (F-15C needs to replaced because their airframes are reaching the end of their service lives, NOT because they’re outdated) The support system is already in place, pilots are trained, RD work on the jet is done.

It’s the most cost effective and least risky solution.
This is simply a problem that should never have existed. The only reason the F-22 is 'too expensive' is because they never built enough of them. It was designed to replace the F-15 and replace the F-15 is what it should have done. If you spent £Xbn on R&D and then divide that cost by Y/4 instead of Y, you end up with a figure equal to 4X/Y instead of X/Y. It's 25 years of sitting on hands that has caused this farce.
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Yeah, kinda. The F-22 was prematurely shelved due to politics, which caused the low production and high unit cost. It was SUPPOSED to have been the replacement.

If politicians weren't so flakey by this point, the F-15, 16, 18, A-10, and Harrier would be in the mid to late stages of phase out... instead we have a rapidly increasing variety of airframes in service with a growing number of 'inter rim' solutions almost entirely because they won't commit to a single course of action.

It's almost like governmental inefficiency writ large, eh?

Even commiting to Super Hornets and Advanced Eagles (Super Eagles anybody?) would make more sense than this piecemeal approach they're taking.
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This is simply a problem that should never have existed. The only reason the F-22 is 'too expensive' is because they never built enough of them. It was designed to replace the F-15 and replace the F-15 is what it should have done. If you spent £Xbn on R&D and then divide that cost by Y/4 instead of Y, you end up with a figure equal to 4X/Y instead of X/Y. It's 25 years of sitting on hands that has caused this farce.

Absolutely, but since the production line is done there's no going back on that decision short of something really big happening like, say, the F22 being cleared for export.

Considering that that is unlikely to happen in the near future if ever, an updated Eagle is the best thing the USAF can get.
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