Warthog AB detent - Push through mod?

I mentioned this to Debolestis a while back.

If he can get accurate dimensions, then he can make the part and put it on his Shapeways shop.

I came up with this in Sketchup.

I've attached the Sketchup files if anyone wants to have a play with it to refine it.

dcs.zip

I'll try it, will print it later this week

I uploaded this MODEL.

McG mentioned that it was a bit narrow and that the force required to move over the bump is quite a lot. I can make modifications, you guys just tell me what must be changed. I don't have warthog so I cannot experiment myself with it.

Someone made a 3 stage detent for the viggen?!

Here's my mod:

Snipped a piece of a dental floss pick, use a drop of strong-ish glue (not superglue), then file the 'leading edge' off so slightly to adjust the 'feel' you want for your push to afterburner. Works like a charm :)

Some curve adjustment depending on the aircraft to set the Mil thrust power to be just at the push detent. I only had to do it for one or two crafts, the rest simply works with 100% linear curve.

Edited the STL file from Thingiverse myself- just a quick and dirt test for the 3 stage detent, will try it later .

First test was a fail - I could have known if I could look better into the throttle.

So here's another try

 

First test was a fail - I could have known if I could look better into the throttle.

 

So here's another try

I'm curious how this works?

So now you can push though to afterburner without lifting the throttles?

Could you make a small video about how this defend thingy works?

Grtz

Jorik

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Will try it asap, thoughts behind it is: you push the throttle to the First stop, and with some more force it steps to the second . We will see how good it works

Any progress Einherjer?

Would love to print on if it works.

Cheers

Oh , yes indeed !

It works really good in the viggen! I have already printed some more for three of my squadron mates . I send you the STL file

Oh , yes indeed !

It works really good in the viggen! I have already printed some more for three of my squadron mates . I send you the STL file

Hi

Could you also send the STL to me ? Really want this to :)

Thanks

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I'd be really interested in the STL as well! :)

It works really well,

Big thanks to Einherjer for this!

Oh , yes indeed !

It works really good in the viggen! I have already printed some more for three of my squadron mates . I send you the STL file

Looks good.

Would you mind sending me the STL file also?

I recently purchased the push through mod made by Debolestis and I was very impressed. Apart from being slightly too thin (not a huge factor at all because the load from the throttles wants to move the part longitudinally and not laterally) the pressure and AB range feels great.

I fly the T-38 and considering that most PC joysticks and throttles require significantly less force to move compared to real life, I have to say that the AB "push through force" is very accurate for the Warthog throttle in proportion to the real life force.

The part can be improved by making the part wider, bottom rounded to sit flush with the part assembly between the throttles, and for a slightly bulkier push through surface. If more clarification is needed, I can provide photos.

What is in fact more interesting is that the mod provides a more realistic "mil power" setting compared to the stock "lift over" detente. I tested this on the Nevada map at 31 degrees Celsius at Nellis field elevation (~1800 ft). The stock Warthog detente at mil power gives me 100% RPM, 20% nozzle, and 2100 lbs/hr fuel flow. With the mod installed, I get 103% RPM, 16% nozzle, and 2500 lbs/hr fuel flow as depicted. This matches the Dash-1 ops limits for mil power:

What was also interesting is that the brakes did not hold me at mil power when I was clean at either the stock or mod AB detente. With two AIM-9P's, a centerline tank, and two GBU-12's the brakes held up ok.

Habu

 

What is in fact more interesting is that the mod provides a more realistic "mil power" setting compared to the stock "lift over" detente. I tested this on the Nevada map at 31 degrees Celsius at Nellis field elevation (~1800 ft). The stock Warthog detente at mil power gives me 100% RPM, 20% nozzle, and 2100 lbs/hr fuel flow. With the mod installed, I get 103% RPM, 16% nozzle, and 2500 lbs/hr fuel flow as depicted. This matches the Dash-1 ops limits for mil power:

 

It has nothing to do with the mod, it's just in DCS every aircraft has afterburner detent in different position that rarely matches detent on your joystick. If the mod fits F-5, then it just means that it will be off-position in other airplanes.

I've asked for a nice UI option to match AB detent to your hardware like it's been for ages in Falcon 4.0, but no one bothers. Currently you have to set up axis curves per airplane and that affects linearity across the range.

It has nothing to do with the mod, it's just in DCS every aircraft has afterburner detent in different position that rarely matches detent on your joystick. If the mod fits F-5, then it just means that it will be off-position in other airplanes.

 

I've asked for a nice UI option to match AB detent to your hardware like it's been for ages in Falcon 4.0, but no one bothers. Currently you have to set up axis curves per airplane and that affects linearity across the range.

He didn't mention any other aircraft than the F-5 so his observations are valid.

I filed my detent down and I'm getting the same results for the F-5.

Then I tested it with other aircraft and got the following results:

• Works well: F-5, F-15C, Viggen
  
• AB lights well beyond detent: M2K, MiG21/29A/29S, Su33,
  
• AB lights before detent: Su27
  

You're correct that every aircraft has a different threshold for the AB and we seriously need an option to customize that threshold ourselves, while retaining the full range and linearity of the throttle.

Much like the game that must not be named around here. :music_whistling:

You're doing what?? Are you now referring to the F-5E as T-38 to get people all wound up or do you actually have a mod of some sorts? :noexpression:

He flies the T-38 in real life. :pilotfly:

You can tune your throttle axis ingame to match the hardware settings.

We printed some 3 stages throttle detents for the viggen, works great if you tune it ingame

You're doing what?? Are you now referring to the F-5E as T-38 to get people all wound up or do you actually have a mod of some sorts? :noexpression:

I'm assuming he means he flies the T-38 IRL.

You can tune your throttle axis ingame to match the hardware settings.

We printed some 3 stages throttle detents for the viggen, works great if you tune it ingame

While that is true, you'd have to either sacrifice range of motion, linearity or both to set up the detent correctly and you'd have to do that for every aircraft.

It's not the end of the world but it could be so much easier, while also taking full advantage of your hardware, with the aforementioned feature.

Any chance you could upload that 3 stage detent? :smilewink:

I recently purchased the push through mod made by Debolestis and I was very impressed.

I must've missed that when it was originally posted because your mention was the first I saw of it... I ordered it early in the week and got it yesterday. Haven't had time to flight test it yet, but I have to say, it works better than the glued toothpicks I had on there. :megalol:

Any negatives to using the detent in this fashion?

For example is it possible to shut a jets engines off while flying by moving the throttle too far back (that normally would have been prevented by the lift over detent).

No, that is a different detent.