Iranian Tomcats with Russian missiles, possible for DCS??

So since Leatherneck sims is working on the F-14, and as they clearly sated, they are also going to make Iranian Tomcats available. Iranian F-14s are known to be able to carry the Russian R-27 (and possible other array of Russian made weapons) can this be possible in DCS?? :smilewink:

It's certainly possible they can do this, though they may not have the information regarding any avionics changes the Iranians have installed in their F-14's to handle various different weaponry and equipment.

Great photo by the way, but they sure are fielding some old aircraft there:

F-4, F-5, F-111 and F-14. Pretty sure off page there is a Wright Flyer :P

anything is possible with .lua tweaking ;)

It's certainly possible they can do this, though they may not have the information regarding any avionics changes the Iranians have installed in their F-14's to handle various different weaponry and equipment.

 

Great photo by the way, but they sure are fielding some old aircraft there:

F-4, F-5, F-111 and F-14. Pretty sure off page there is a Wright Flyer :P

That's a Su-24, not a F-111. You can tell by the rectangular intakes.

I would suggest Leatherneck make two F-14As separately, that's probably the only way you can distinguish both planes of both countries and give them their respective weapons and radars.

Then the program and plan become bigger and bigger, the consumer wants to much,

"We can not finish!!!"

And hawk anti air missile fits in f-14 is very interesting too and they are in service since mid-80s. LOL

That's a Su-24, not a F-111. You can tell by the rectangular intakes.

You sir are correct!

Explains why I couldn't find anything on them lol :D Was sitting there thinking I thought Australia was the only one outside the US who operated F-111's!

I think that adding the Russian R27 to the F-14 isn't a bad idea, especially in scenario's it would make for a nice touch

I support it, but only for weapons we KNOW the Iranians used operationally. No R-77 or anything like that and I think it should be country locked. I'm sure Iran will become a faction, so I think only their F-14s should be able to use them.

We like this idea. It would undoubtedly be difficult to ascertain what exactly was done to make this work; but we could perhaps just do some sort of fictional implementation.

Iranians may or may not have changed avionics for such stuff, and we don't know that. Also we don't know if these are operational or not, red winged missile makes me think it is an inert test piece.

Sure it could be nice to use these with mods for representing Iranian tomcats in some scenarios. But I am not sure there is much merit at all to including them with release. After all, Iran mainly used Sparrows and Phoenix, as well as Sidewinder on their F-14. Unless it is an ER, a R-27 won't add much on top of that. May be R-73 would to a degree but, what I'm trying to say is, Iranian F-14 can well be represented by default US weapons already.

Though, I suppose there is no harm in allowing only Iranian F-14A to use R-73 and R-27, or better yet, add another aircraft entry "F-14A Iran" and only allow that one to carry them.

but we could perhaps just do some sort of fictional implementation.

I like the idea of Iranian modded F-14s too, but I can't help but feel wary of this. Just how fictionalized would this entail?

I like the idea of Iranian modded F-14s too, but I can't help but feel wary of this. Just how fictionalized would this entail?

I can't imagine the cockpit would differ much from the original A model. Most of the tweaks would be in the busses, all out of sight from the player, and could be abstracted since this is a sim.

I'd be careful with implementing what is seen in pictures and reported as "carried" since it could be interpreted as propaganda. The HAWK integration, while carried, was never successful because the missile had problems tracking the radar signal. The Alamo is listed as being carried.....not successfully engaging targets. From all the recent pictures I've seen with Tomcats in intercept or escort, the few Iranian F-14s are carrying live AIM-9P and Perhaps Sparrows. I think I've seen one with an AIM-54/Iranian AIM-54 clone(don't remember the name). If anyone can produce credible evidence of these "new" weapons being successful in target engagements I'd like to see them implemented, otherwise, no.

They could make an AI Version and give the AI the RUS Missiles easily.

We like this idea. It would undoubtedly be difficult to ascertain what exactly was done to make this work; but we could perhaps just do some sort of fictional implementation.

That's amazing to hear!! What I would suggest, is to create 2 separate F-14A models (slightly renaming them) so they can be added, and now that Iran is a separate faction in DCS1.5 and onward, this makes things all the more better. So by doing this, you can tweak the American F-14As and Iranian F-14As separately, so the Iranian F-14s can have this capability :thumbup:

An F-14A that simply allows for carrying R-27's and R-73's would be great I think. I doubt the cockpits are much different for reasons already stated. My only concern with this is in mission design for MP. If this is done, we need the F-14A offered in two copies, a standard USN model and an IRIAF modded one. These can be copy paste of each other with only the weapons lua changed. But we do need that separation since DCS doesn't allow weapon restriction on a per aircraft basis. It shouldn't be a technical hurdle at all, just something that needs to be done.:thumbup:

But also the Iranian F-14s only carrier old sparrows.

They would be using either Aim-7E-4 or Aim-7F.

So they would not have any Aim-7M

(as the Aim-7M did not enter service untill 1982 while Iran Broke with the US in 1979 after the Overthrow of the Shah)

So while a R-27R is not a great step up from a Aim-7M it would be a Significant step up from a Aim-7F or E-4.

Just like Iran never got the AIm-9L or Aim-9M (the Aim-9L entered service in time but was not exported to Iran)

So they would not have had any All Aspect Aim-9s.

So getting New more modern missiles (aswell as fill the Missile stores that had been depleted from the Iran-Iraq War aswell as from age)

was vital for the Iranian airforce.

And since the F-14 was the best aircraft they had ofc it would be adapted to use their most modern missiles.

And since they could not get new missiles from the US they had to get Russian or Chinese made missiles.

But yea i would love seeing a Iranian F-14A.

Especially since we have the Straight of Hormuz comming up.

Which very much needs an Iranian F-14.

Yeah this is a great idea. Since we have no idea and possibly never will of the differences between Iranian F-14s and US F-14s I think we can be happy with an implementation as basic as "the missile just works with IRIAF F-14s" with no other changes.

Does DCS support weapon locking by country?

If not it's still no big deal since it will have access to better sparrows anyway, for multiplayer I don't see a problem at all.

Plus of course the weapon availability can be limited at the base.

But also the Iranian F-14s only carrier old sparrows.

 

They would be using either Aim-7E-4 or Aim-7F.

Iran just brought AIM-7E-4 for their Tomcats. AIM-7F was cleared for export but was not acquired, as apparently the IIAF considered the AIM-54A to be the primary armament (to fight Soviet Recon-Foxbats).

Well, just my two cents... Irianians tried to hang just about anything with a rocketmotor on their F14's. Including an HAWK missile wich is supposed to be a SAM.

This does not mean it actually works like a normal AA missile. This might have been for publicity reasons only. They do more stuff like that. Like a few years ago, they pretended to develop a stealthfighter of their own.

Appearantly Iranian pilots are bored very quickly, they even included some kind of car stereo in it.

And it is not supposed to fly faster then about 260knots acording the speedometer.

Anyways, the PR guys in the Iranian defence forces sometimes make things up that cannot be really the truth. As with the AA-10, I can not imagine it would actually be usable. I mean, any nutcase (pun intended) with a wrench can bolt it on, but will they be able to lock the target with an american radar and guide a russian missile to it? Or maybe they've put in some kind of american seeker-head on the AA10 missile. I don't think this AA-10 is really usable on the F-14 in real-life.

Yeah this is a great idea. Since we have no idea and possibly never will of the differences between Iranian F-14s and US F-14s I think we can be happy with an implementation as basic as "the missile just works with IRIAF F-14s" with no other changes.

 

Does DCS support weapon locking by country?

 

If not it's still no big deal since it will have access to better sparrows anyway, for multiplayer I don't see a problem at all.

 

Plus of course the weapon availability can be limited at the base.

This goes back to making a separate Aircraft LUA for an AI F-14A IIAF Variant.

Modify the Data, Sensors, Pylons and Loadouts to reflect the differences.

Iran just brought AIM-7E-4 for their Tomcats. AIM-7F was cleared for export but was not acquired, as apparently the IIAF considered the AIM-54A to be the primary armament (to fight Soviet Recon-Foxbats).

Ok was leaning towards just the E-4 but was not sure.

And that even more shows why the iranian airforce was looking for more Medium range missiles.

Since the Aim-54 was so expensive and they had limited numbers so they would not want to waste those if they could use another missile in the situation.

I'd be careful with implementing what is seen in pictures and reported as "carried" since it could be interpreted as propaganda. The HAWK integration, while carried, was never successful because the missile had problems tracking the radar signal. The Alamo is listed as being carried.....not successfully engaging targets.

I thought the same, though the IRIAF did manage to successfully fire a HAWK from an F-14. Though getting the HAWK to fire might be simpler since its US made with US avionics. Of course the HAWK proved to be more or less useless as an A-A weapon. It had way too many restrictions built into its guidance (max altitude limits, limited range, etc).

Getting the R-27 to integrate with the AWG-9 seems like a mighty feat, but certainly the IRIAF had a lot of time to work on it. It would be a big upgrade from the AIM-7E-4 (the most advanced version of the Sparrow in the IRIAF), its hard to know how many avionics are even original at this point.

The IRIAF did manage to receive Tomcat spares for a few years, courtesy of the Iran-Contra affair. Most of the shipments were TOW missiles (over 2500 units) and HAWK SAMS, but several shipments were listed as "aircraft and missile spare parts". One of the shipments that exposed the operation included a complete F-14 canopy.

Q: Will Iranian Tomcats be included?

A: Yes! We have several Iranian liveries planned. We also plan to model the older MBU-5/P mask in use by the Iranian Air Force.

Luckily, IRIAF Tomcats have been planned all along.

 

And that even more shows why the iranian airforce was looking for more Medium range missiles.

 

Since the Aim-54 was so expensive and they had limited numbers so they would not want to waste those if they could use another missile in the situation.

Yes, especially since both the F-14 and F-4s used them extensively. There inventory of Sparrows was probably quite good at the start of the war since the Sparrow had been operational with the IIAF for a while. The IIAF ordered 714 Phoenixes, but only about 300 were delivered (though I've read a few different estimates - another said 496).

-Nick

This goes back to making a separate Aircraft LUA for an AI F-14A IIAF Variant.

 

Modify the Data, Sensors, Pylons and Loadouts to reflect the differences.

Too much work and a waste of time if we have no idea what the differences really are