The F-35 Thread

Looks like they are all grounded

https://www.foxnews.com/us/entire-f-35-stealth-fighter-jet-fleet-grounded-by-military-after-crash-in-september

 

Marc..

It's a testament to how good they are doing with the program...identified the issue and a very short temporary grounding while they inspect. Most of them are already back in the air and none where supposed to be grounded longer than 48hrs. Actually it's pretty amazing they've only had one crash in what? 13 years of operations?

It's a testament to how good they are doing with the program...identified the issue and a very short temporary grounding while they inspect. Most of them are already back in the air and none where supposed to be grounded longer than 48hrs. Actually it's pretty amazing they've only had one crash in what? 13 years of operations?

This program is just awesome. The experts buying it and the pilots flying it knows. That is good enough for me.

very cute boeing.....

things are only funny when theyre true

pretty damn sure you cant buy 3 bigbugs for the cost of one f-35

Pretty sure it might be just slighly more than one, not three.

things are only funny when theyre true

 

pretty damn sure you cant buy 3 bigbugs for the cost of one f-35

Well, you'd be super butthurt if you, too, missed out in the gravy-train that was the JSF program. :thumbup:

Pretty sure the current price on a Rhino is $70 million, where a F-35 just dropped to about $90..

Straight up bullcrap from Boening who can't sell the Super Hornet internationally to save its life.

the video creator "racerocks 3d" has nothing to do with boeing

video is from 2013 anyways.

the video creator "racerocks 3d" has nothing to do with boeing

 

video is from 2013 anyways.

All of his other videos ( at least 2 others) for aviation are promoting Boeing products over lockheed, are done in a similar way to this video.

Even he's not officially assocsiateed working in a Boeing office it these productions absolutely comes off as work of a " Boeing shill"

@ 1:00 - Commodore Jerry Kid, Royal Navy: "You just cannot do defense on the cheap - what are we going to do.....throw lemons at people?"

How about lime fruits? ;)

Will Israel F-35I carry these?:

Rampage

Sparrow

:pilotfly:

4xJBvKJht78

Described as

• a lemon,
  
• too slow,
  
• too heavy,
  
• over budget,
  
• might be cancelled entirely,
  
• we should buy more older aircraft.
  

These arguments sound familiar when hearing news about the F-35 - but it appears all of these arguments were also made against the F-18 back in the early 80s, and no doubt about the F-111 even earlier. History repeating itself!

And we now know how great both the F-18 and F-111 are, and how they are praised. How long until the F-35 also gets this praise? I suppose when the F-44 comes out , then people will be saying the same things again, and singing praises about the 'good old, reliable' F-35 when we reach the year 2030 :-)

4xJBvKJht78

 

Described as

• a lemon,
  
• too slow,
  
• too heavy,
  
• over budget,
  
• might be cancelled entirely,
  
• we should buy more older aircraft.
  

 

These arguments sound familiar when hearing news about the F-35 - but it appears all of these arguments were also made against the F-18 back in the early 80s, and no doubt about the F-111 even earlier. History repeating itself!

 

And we now know how great both the F-18 and F-111 are, and how they are praised. How long until the F-35 also gets this praise? I suppose when the F-44 comes out , then people will be saying the same things again, and singing praises about the 'good old, reliable' F-35 when we reach the year 2030 :-)

yea very familair,

Although the crtitics were somewhat right about the F111.

in hinsight the F111 worked great for the USAF as a Long range Interdiction bomber , but honestly it was failure as a fighter. Hence the unimpressed US Navy scrapped the program of the navalized F111 and Northrup grumman went on to pickup a contract and create for the Navy what would become the F14 tomcat, based on lessons learned from that program. Even So with USAF adopting the F111 it was a maintenance intensive aircraft.

Besides F111 is no longer in USAF service . It t was already in the process of being replaced by the F15E strike eagle by the time of the gulf war. an A/C that was both more modern, less maintenance intensive and could actually self escort. Despite its name and use within the USAF it would arguably fall under "multirole" buzzword

Naval attack capabilities delayed?

Don't know if this has already been posted but:

60 Questions and Answers with an F-35C naval aviator

On the 16th of December, /r/Hoggit had a live Q&A session on their Discord server with "Gregory Brett", a naval aviator who has flown the Hornet, Super Hornet and F-35C (here's the raw chat log). Gregory adhered to OPSEC by refusing to discuss tactics, weapons or (outside of general statements) mission systems, and he also didn't want to reveal his callsign or current squadron, but he still plenty of information to share.

Over the span of about 2 hours, a considerable number of questions were asked. I've collated all of those that seemed relevant to the F-35C (as well as a couple of others that are tangentially relevant to the future carrier air wing), cleaned them up a little (spelling, punctuation, etc) and listed them below. Some of the questions were also ambiguous as to platform (eg: #41, asking whether flaps are used during air-to-air refueling), but without additional context I couldn't rule out that he would be talking about his current platform (which I understand to be the F-35C).

Also please note that Gregory Brett wanted it to be clear that all of these answers are only representative of his own views and opinions, and should not be seen as representative of the views of the wider US government or Navy.

Question: Out of everything that you've flown, what is the most fun to fly?

Answer: The most fun I would say is the Legacy Hornet. Just a blue collar working man’s jet, super snappy, super agile, she'll do anything you ask of her!

Question: From a human factors perspective, what does the F-35C do better than the F-18E? What does it do worse?

Answer: The cockpit is much more ergonomic and roomier, the displays are completely customizable, the sidestick is what I prefer. Some things it doesn’t do as well as far as HF, you can’t pee easily in the jet, and it’s hard to enter data while taxiing.

Question: F/A-18 or F-35?

Answer: The two jets are apples and oranges. To just fly around and rage, F/A-18. To go downtown, F-35. Just my personal opinion. Both are a ton of fun to fly and very capable.

Question: What's your biggest pet peeve about the F-35?

Answer: Biggest pet peeve is that the jet is still immature. You sometimes have to troubleshoot by shutting the jet down and turning it back on. Once its mature, that won’t be a problem! It really is a great jet and that doesn’t happen often.

Question: How does it feel to fly an immature jet in that case, is it uncomfortable?

Answer: The jet is safe to fly, it's not IOC yet in the Navy. That's what I meant by immature. It's still an airplane, it’s just not the final product yet. I wouldn’t fly an unsafe plane and maintenance wouldn’t let me.

Question: As someone who only really ever hears people talking about how much of a cost overrun it is, I want to ask how you, as an actual pilot, find the F-35? How does it handle in comparison to the others jets you have flown, and how do all the sensors work to help the pilot?

Answer: I find the F-35 to be a great jet. It's super high tech. It's like flying a Tesla. It is a very well handling plane. It is as easy to fly as a Hornet (which itself is very easy to fly). The sensor fusion is great because I have a one stop shop for all my information on the glass, rather than checking multiple screens at once.

Question: What do you think is the biggest misconception about the F-35C?

Answer: I believe the biggest misconception is that it is built to be a dogfighter.

Question: You mentioned sensor fusion, how important is the sensor fusion functionality when flying and what things could be improved in it?

Answer: I can't get too deep into mission systems. SF is an important system for building SA in the cockpit.

Question: I've heard and read several comments by claimed USN pilots saying that the F-35C is an afterthought compared to the A and B variants, and that various issues resulting from its not being designed for USN carrier used first and foremost make it less suitable to the USN's needs than the Super Hornet. What are your thoughts on this? Do you think that the F-35C will be well-adapted to carrier operations?

Answer: The F-35B model was the tough problem to solve for engineers (and they solved it well!) that drove much of the design. The C model I think is awesome because it has a better wing (in my opinion) and more gas than the A model. It's been out at sea and doing an awesome job so far. I believe it will do great while integrated in the carrier airwing, especially as experience grows.

Question: What kind of opinions do you tend to see on the F-35C from your peers from the Hornet / Rhino worlds?

Answer: I see a lot of excitement (with a few skeptics).

Question: The F-35A has reportedly started to get the nickname “Panther”; I’ve also heard that during some developmental carrier trials the names “Reaper” and “Raven” have been floated for the F-35C but not gone far. Do you think the Navy might adopt “Panther” or is there another nickname that’s gathering traction in the Navy? (What do you think suits the jet?)

Answer: The callsign for the VFA-101 F-35C squadron is "Reaper". Air Force adopted Panther. We jokingly call it the "C Panther" (Sea panther...get it?) but not really. Thats not catching on with us. We call "lightning ball" at the boat.

Question: I have read about the plane being "see-through" with cameras and the visor working to enable the pilot to build more Situational awareness. Can you explain how this works, briefly, and how it is being used by the pilot?

Answer: the helmet uses the distributed aperture system (DAS) to feed IR image to the visor. You can turn this on and off with HOTAS. It is great for an alternate to night vision, and to enhance your SA.

Question: Why do you hate the F-35B so much. What did that poor thing do to deserve it?

Answer: No comment on the B model on here. It is a marvel of engineering; I will say that.

Question: How do you feel for the future of the F-35 being the replacement of the Hornet on the boats in the sea? Given its current state and budget in the program it's in and the capabilities it will supposedly bring.

Answer: The F-35C is the future. The Hornet is old. It needs to go. There’s a reason we don't fly the F-4 and A-6 anymore...technology advances and requirements change.

Question: Does the F-35C do direct lift or pitch pointing? What about direct sideforce or yaw pointing?

Answer: Ok so Magic Carpet (now called PLM "Precision Landing Mode") does 3 things. 1) New HUD Symbology 2) Integrated Direct Lift Control (IDLC) 3) two new modes of flying the plane. To address each of these:

The HUD now has a SRVV (Ship referenced (relative?) Velocity Vector). It takes into account the ships speed (which you enter) and the angled deck...it does the Trig for you and now you place the VV directly onto the landing area and that's where you will go. Additionally, there is a GRL (glideslope reference line) that you line up with the IFLOLS with a centred ball. I don't really pay as much attention to that one.

IDLC...this is where the magic is. When you enter PLM, the jet is now in a new control law. The FCS uses ALL the flight control surfaces to deflect to give you instantaneous lift creation and lift destruction. With the Flaps at Half or Full, they will not default to all the way down. They will leave wiggle room to deflect. If you watch a PLM pass, you will see the flight controls moving like crazy, In the Rhino it even kind of looks like a bird flapping its wings.

2 new modes. PLM is flown in autothrottles. One is called Rate (APC in the F-35). This is where you pull the stick for instantaneous lift creation (or push for the opposite) and where ever you let go is where the jet will go. So if you push from 3 degrees to 4 degrees, it will stay at 4 degrees. The truly awesome mode is called Delta Path (DFP in the F-35). This is a glideslope on a spring. When this is engaged, the stick will set to a 3.5 degree glideslope (or whatever the IFLOLS is set to; you can change it). When you pull back on the stick, you will feel resistance and the ball will rise. When you let go, the jet snaps back to the perfect glideslope. The opposite for pushing to get lower.

Question: The Navy has talked about plans to (15+ years from now) replace the Super Hornet with an “F/A-XX”. With mind of budget constraints, what would you personally like to see a Rhino replacement look like or prioritise (speed, stealth, sensors, payload)?

Answer: I'd have to use my imagination a bit for that one. I would like it to have integration with all national assets, tons of gas and weapons carried internally, stealth, and speed. Supermaneuvrability is not a necessity but would be nice. That's a tall order for the engineers, so good luck.

Question: Would you rather fight a horse sized F/A-18C or a dozen duck sized F-35Cs?

Answer: No comment.

Question: Follow up, can you use IDLC outside the PLM?

Answer: You can in the F-35, in the landing configuration, but not nearly as dramatically or intentionally.

Question: How do you see the proliferation of unmanned systems affecting the carrier air wing? Do you think the MQ-25 open the door to stealthy strike UCAVs? How much opposition (to adding unmanned systems) is there from the naval aviator community?

Answer: There is not much opposition now because it is not that imminent. Personally, I love the idea of an unmanned tanker. That way you don’t put hours and fatigue on the Rhinos for a non-tactical mission.

Question: Has anyone tried to use IDLC in BFM/ACM yet?

Answer: You don’t just "use" IDLC; It doesn’t work that way. You fly what the FCS gives you.

Question: What is in your opinion the strong point of the F-35 over its competitors (Rafale, Gripen, etc).

Answer: By far its the fact that it can go into contested environments. That is no-kidding true. Combine that with the F-35C that has a ton of gas and minimal drag... it can be used on a contested strike where other jets can’t go.

Question: Do you prefer the almost all digital cockpit controls (big touchscreen up front) of the F-35 or the traditional mix of digital displays and physical controls? If any, what are some things that you find traditional cockpits do better?

Answer: Some things I do like about physical controls knobs and switches. Many of the old switches from the Hornet got replaced by pushing a button on the glass. I like that because it cleans up the cockpit, but I do miss the old Hook Handle and Probe Switch. That said, there is no flap switch! Just like in the F-16.

Question: In one of the interviews with Mike Dozer (F-15C Pilot), he mentioned that pilots usually shoot 2 missiles at a single target to up the pK. Does this also apply nowadays to you and the Navy?

Answer: Logically, more missiles improves your odds. Can’t say more than that.

Question: What are your thoughts on the risk of single-engine aircraft in blue-water operations? Has engine tech progressed far enough that this isn't a major problem for the F-35?

Answer: The single engine originally gave me pause. That said, I have complete confidence that it is suitable for carrier and blue water ops. The tech is THAT good. I flew routinely 100-200 miles off shore in training without a second thought. Or even a first thought. Two engines are nice, and I would take it if it were possible. But this is the plane we have, and It's proven to be exceptionally reliable. I have additional reasons to believe that but I can’t get into it here.

Question: Do you have any interesting stories, about your F-35C flying experience (in training missions, etc), that you can share?

Answer: Not that I can share at this time.

Question: The [F-35C] touch screens - are they capacitive touch screens? how well do your flight gloves interact with them? Do you need specific flight gloves for the touch screen functionality? same question goes with the UFC on the Super Hornet.

Answer: For the PCDs on the F-35, not sure if they are capacitive or not. I didn't wear gloves (whoops). For the UFCD on the Rhino, it is a plane of light about 1/8 inch off the surface. Depending where you break the light determines what button you hit. Gloves or no gloves and it works.

Question: How were you able to be selected to fly the F-35C? or did you sign up on some roster?

Answer: I had a list of possible assignments after one of my tours for what I wanted to do next. F-35 pilot is what I put at the top of my list.

Question: Do you miss the HUD on the F-35C?

Answer: I actually like the HMD vHUD. It works the same way, its super high tech. It's great.

Question: What is your opinion of automated/semi-automated carrier landing avionics (magic carpet and the like)?

Answer: Magic Carpet is NOT automated. You are still flying the plane! ACLS Mode 1 is an auto-land. I think PLM is a great tool that increases safety

Question: Have F-35C (and/or B) squadrons had the chance to do their equivalent of Hornet Ball / cruise videos? (Obviously they'd be for internal viewing only for now). Is there a "Lightning Ball" moniker for those videos / events?

Answer: You won’t see any in cockpit GoPro footage or camera footage of 5th gen aircraft. The F-35C is included in the west coast ball.

Question: Do the Super Hornet or F-35 use tactile "display" systems (i.e. information can be displayed to the pilot via the sense of feeling, presumably by means of the flight suit)? What are your thoughts on it, whether hypothetically or from experience?

Answer: I have no experience of that, nor does anybody that I Know. That said, I think it could be useful during the administrative portions of flight, but more distracting in the tactical phases. Again, just an opinion.

Question: I know you're F-35C, but for the A model (and pod on the others), if you could trade in the gun for a single AIM-9X, would you? How about a twin 9x installation?

Answer: It depends on the mission. I think I would most want the gun for strafing the ground, personally. That's just me though. So for a mission where I may strafe, I'd want the gun. If it was A/A, I may do without the gun, depending on the mission planning factors. Just personal opinion.

Question: Did you ever have a chance to exercise in TOPGUN or Red Flag?

Answer: Topgun is not something you exercise in. It is a school for training "patchwearers" and an institution that develops and writes up tactics. Only a small percentage go. That said, I have gone to Fallon, where TG is, and do many exercises up there, many involving patchwearers on the blue and red side. I have not participated in a red flag. I unfortunately showed up to my squadron just after they did a RF Alaska. Would’ve been awesome.

Question: On a scale of 1-10, how game changing is DAS in ACM?

Answer: No comment, but it is an effective tool.

Question: Can you see ATC radar on your RWR and if you can what does it show up as?

Answer: I have not seen ATC radar on the RWR, not sure if there is a way to or not. Actually, it's possible I may have and didn't even know it!

Question: What was the toughest adjustment you had to make transitioning to the F-35C and what were the biggest similarities?

Answer: Biggest adjustment was some of the Pilot Vehicle Interface. For example, the TDC is now at your thumb. You just have to look at different places for different information. You pick it up quick though.

Question: External LO weapons pods - yes or no?

Answer: I think that would be cool if they did that.

Question: Have you ever flown the B variant and experienced the SVTOL? (Not sure if it’s on the C variant) and if so, was it a weird feeling not doing a traditional take-off the first time?

Answer: I've flown the B model sim and did use the STOVL. It was educational to say the least. Way outside my comfort zone, but the jet made it super easy!

Question: It’s been mentioned that you are also an LSO, what was the lowest grade that you give out for a pilot and what mistake did he make?

Answer: Cut Pass for Idle in the Wires.

Question: Is that for not going full burner after catching the wire?

Answer: Only the legacy hornet can go to full burner in the wires (With the option of mil). The Rhino and F-35 only go to MIL. If you see burner in the wires on YouTube for those 2 planes they made a mistake. The idle in the wires means not going to at least mil.

Question: When refuelling mid-air, do you use a similar flaps setting as the Harriers? I believe they use STOL flaps for that.

Answer: Flaps auto.

Question: Unmanned battle buddy- would you rather it carried more fuel or more weapons?

Answer: Too simplistic. I guess more weapons? Never thought about that hypothetical before?

Question: Did they ever figure out how to haul F135 engines onto a carrier? Last I heard the C-2 couldn't quite do it.

Answer: Yes they can haul it. I believe the Osprey can do it among other techniques.

Question: If there is one jet (or prop, be it) that you wish you could have some time on, what would it be?

Answer: Raptor.

Question: How much heavier is the workload in the 35 vs a 2-seat hornet?

Answer: I've never flown a 2 seat hornet. There is more work to do in the 35 but also more automation which is nice.

Question: How often do you fly the F-35 loaded with external stores, how much of a difference do internal stores make other than stealth?

Answer: I have personally never flown with external stores.

Question: Have pilots been allowed any input on the development of the F-35 platform? Or even the Super Hornet for that matter. Like Navy pilots during WW2 with the F6F Hellcat.

Answer: The inputs for the requirements happened while I was a kid. I'm sure pilots had input. Even to this day when they discuss making improvements, pilots are kept in the discussion

Question: Have you had any mock battles against other nations fighter wings, if so what nation do you most vividly remember and why?

Answer: I have fought a Malaysian Hornet. Friends of mine have flown against other nations Flankers and Fulcrums in training. They got the better deal than I did. Those training engagements were BFM by the way. I didn't do any large-scale exercises with our allies unfortunately.

Question: What was your toughest BFM match? (Which aircraft it was and how did it turn out for you?)

Answer: Raptor. Very Poorly.

Question: Scratch that Raptors, everybody knows it is tough to fight them. What is the second toughest then?

Answer: I've fought Hornets and Vipers. The outcomes varied depending on the skill of the pilot for each of those. No joke.

Question: What's the worst aircraft you've faced in BFM or any other kind of ACM?

Answer: I haven't fought that many different types of planes in BFM. You'll find that a typical fighter pilot hasn’t gone up against the entire Jane's catalogue of fighters.

Question: The legacy hornet has significant delay on from when you move the throttle, and when the engine revs up to whatever RPM. How is this in comparison to the super hornet and the F-35?

Answer: The engine response time in the Hornet is not bad. The Super Hornet has the addition of FADECs which makes things even smoother. F-35 also has FADECs. Very good response times.

Question: Based PURELY on looks, F-22 or F-35? I personally think the F-22 is the sexier of the both, but some people don't think so.

Answer: F-22

Question: Is it easier or harder to catch your desired (eg 3) wire with a Super Hornet or F-35C (if you had to nitpick)?

Answer: They both have PLM so both are equal in that regard. F-35 uses ONLY PLM

Question: What trait do you find most important in BFM for a pilot?

Answer: By far its going to be experience. More reps makes a better BFM’er, every time. The ability to see visual cues, and manage your energy are keys as well. Those are easier said than done.

Question: How do you typically pronounce "HMDS" for the F-35?

Answer: "H-M-D"

Question: Where do you store any personal effects in the F-35C (say if you were doing a long transit flight)?

Answer: There is a good amount of room in the F-35. I can fit stuff off to the right just like I would in the Hornet. Fill the Helmet bag, and maybe add some stuff on top of it. For cross country, I can put a small duffel bag behind the headbox of the seat. Won’t interfere with the canopy.

Question: An extension to that last question; have travel pods been used on any F-35s that you know of, or is just a matter of throwing any larger baggage on a C-17, etc?

Answer: No, they haven’t been in use for the F-35C. Can’t speak to the other variants.

Question: A-10C or F-35 for ground attack?

Answer: I have a definite opinion on this, but won’t comment publicly. I can say that nothing is like an A-10.

Question: Does the F-35's stick move or is it more or less fixed?

Answer: It definitely moves.

Don't know if this has already been posted but:

 

 

 

60 Questions and Answers with an F-35C naval aviator

 

On the 16th of December, /r/Hoggit had a live Q&A session on their Discord server with "Gregory Brett", a naval aviator who has flown the Hornet, Super Hornet and F-35C (here's the raw chat log). Gregory adhered to OPSEC by refusing to discuss tactics, weapons or (outside of general statements) mission systems, and he also didn't want to reveal his callsign or current squadron, but he still plenty of information to share.

 

Over the span of about 2 hours, a considerable number of questions were asked. I've collated all of those that seemed relevant to the F-35C (as well as a couple of others that are tangentially relevant to the future carrier air wing), cleaned them up a little (spelling, punctuation, etc) and listed them below. Some of the questions were also ambiguous as to platform (eg: #41, asking whether flaps are used during air-to-air refueling), but without additional context I couldn't rule out that he would be talking about his current platform (which I understand to be the F-35C).

 

Also please note that Gregory Brett wanted it to be clear that all of these answers are only representative of his own views and opinions, and should not be seen as representative of the views of the wider US government or Navy.

What a great interview. Thanks for collating it Hummingbird.:thumbup:

Oh well:

F-35 eye-watering capability: instantaneous turn rate finishing 135 degrees in 3 seconds

Podcast: Behind The F-35’s New Aerial Tricks

Aviation Week & Space Technology

Apr 03, 2019

Since first flight of the original F-35 test aircraft more than 12 years ago, the U.S. military has given the public only one glimpse of the aircraft’s hotly contested dogfighting chops — and that was nearly two years ago at the Paris Air Show. That’s changing this year. Defense Editor Steve Trimble talks with U.S. Air Force F-35 Demo Pilot Capt. Andrew “Dojo” Olson about the new display’s public debut on March 30 in Melbourne, Florida.

http://m.aviationweek.com/defense/podcast-behind-f-35-s-new-aerial-tricks?NL=AW-05&Issue=AW-05_20190404_AW-05_51&sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_2&utm_rid=CPEN1000002990714&utm_campaign=19096&utm_medium=email&elq2=46ce449c64f94ecea82172645d23cd46

F-35, Road to Certification

https://cdn.dvidshub.net/media/video/1903/DOD_106508201/DOD_106508201-1920x1080-6221k.mp4

More videos and info here

https://www.luke.af.mil/F-35-Demo-Team/videoid/664540/dvpcc/false/#DVIDSVideoPlayer40393

https://cdn.dvidshub.net/media/video/1904/DOD_106653552/DOD_106653552-1920x1080-6221k.mp4

The U.S. Air Force’s fifth generation multi-role aircraft arrived for its first deployment to the Middle East on April 15, 2019. The F-35A, the conventional takeoff and landing variant of the Joint Strike Fighter, provides greater operational capability by combining advanced stealth capabilities with the latest weapons technology.

A very interesting (and worrisome) report from the US Government Accountability Office :

F-35 AIRCRAFT SUSTAINMENT: DOD Needs to Address Substantial Supply Chain Challenges

 

[…]The U.S. Air Force, Marine Corps, and Navy share a pool of spare parts with partners around the world. But shortages, repair backlogs, and mismatched parts are keeping F-35s on the ground. For example, F-35 aircraft were unable to fly nearly 30% of the time from May through November 2018 because they didn't have the parts they needed.

You can find more highlights from the report or download the full document (81 pages, an easy read) by following this link.