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Should be concentrating on a specific mission, and not trying to do everything at once. Let the Hornets loaded out for CAP/Escort/Sweep do the A2A, the Hornets with HARMs and CBUs do SEAD, and the bomb-carrying Hornets do the strike. Splitting the loadout shorts the specific mission.

 

 

Multirole means you can do whatever role that's needed, but not all at once.

 

 

I'm assuming of course that you're not counting the 2xAIM-9 and 2xAIM-7/120 self defense load when you're saying these Hornet Pilot should be focused on a single role, because if you are, then that's a really dumb statement. The AA Only pylons always should be filled to protect yourself, and once you're mission is accomplished, if you've got the fuel, go hunting so long as the environment is reasonably permissive for it.

 

 

 

The idea of hitting your target then pushing for secondaries isn't unrealistic in the slightest, and is one of the major selling points of multirole...

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Should be concentrating on a specific mission, and not trying to do everything at once. Let the Hornets loaded out for CAP/Escort/Sweep do the A2A, the Hornets with HARMs and CBUs do SEAD, and the bomb-carrying Hornets do the strike. Splitting the loadout shorts the specific mission.

 

 

Multirole means you can do whatever role that's needed, but not all at once.

 

Basically you say: Don't put AMRAAMs and Sidewinders if you carry bombs. Or: Why does the A-10C even have 'Winders? It's not their job.

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I'm assuming of course that you're not counting the 2xAIM-9 and 2xAIM-7/120 self defense load when you're saying these Hornet Pilot should be focused on a single role, because if you are, then that's a really dumb statement. The AA Only pylons always should be filled to protect yourself, and once you're mission is accomplished, if you've got the fuel, go hunting so long as the environment is reasonably permissive for it.

 

 

 

The idea of hitting your target then pushing for secondaries isn't unrealistic in the slightest, and is one of the major selling points of multirole...

 

 

I consider those part of the default load, solely for self defense. I've seen many pilots online split their wing pylons for A2A and A2G, and then go hunting for enemy aircraft with a couple bombs on one of their pylons. It makes sense to go hunting, but you want to maximize your capacity for the primary mission, so it gets carried out with absolute certainty. Then, once you've used your weapons (and hopefully used the extra A2G you've carried on secondary missions), then go hunting with what was your self-defense A2A weapons.

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Basically you say: Don't put AMRAAMs and Sidewinders if you carry bombs. Or: Why does the A-10C even have 'Winders? It's not their job.

 

Purely for self-defence purposes.

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Exactly, but I get BIH's statement now. It's targeted at those who take 6 AC, 2 9X, 4 Mavs and 2 82s on their Bug for example and probably exactly those who then might complain about the jet's performance in a dogfight if they dare to enter one without dumping their A/G loads rdlaugh.png

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Exactly, but I get BIH's statement now. It's targeted at those who take 6 AC, 2 9X, 4 Mavs and 2 82s on their Bug for example and probably exactly those who then might complain about the jet's performance in a dogfight if they dare to enter one without dumping their A/G loads rdlaugh.png

 

 

YES! This is exactly one of the reasons. However, it's also why I rarely carry any A2A on my Harrier anymore; I'm better off just leaving the area if I have no escort, and enemy fighters pop up. I'm either going to drop my ordinance and fight (and 50% chance of dying in the process), or I'm going to try to fight while fully loaded, and definitely die. If I drop ords with no A2A weapons, I live to fight another day. If I don't get jumped, I've got a massive amount of A2G weaponry to ruin everyone's day in a particular grid square.

 

 

The same-ish applies to Hornets, except they have better options for self-defense. Beyond that, though, they're only concentrating 50% of their possible payload on a specific mission if they're splitting their loadout. Go 100% in on the mission, and you'll be more efficient (and have better survivability).

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YES! This is exactly one of the reasons. However, it's also why I rarely carry any A2A on my Harrier anymore; I'm better off just leaving the area if I have no escort, and enemy fighters pop up. I'm either going to drop my ordinance and fight (and 50% chance of dying in the process), or I'm going to try to fight while fully loaded, and definitely die. If I drop ords with no A2A weapons, I live to fight another day. If I don't get jumped, I've got a massive amount of A2G weaponry to ruin everyone's day in a particular grid square.

 

 

The same-ish applies to Hornets, except they have better options for self-defense. Beyond that, though, they're only concentrating 50% of their possible payload on a specific mission if they're splitting their loadout. Go 100% in on the mission, and you'll be more efficient (and have better survivability).

Maybe some people consider DCS an entertainment software and eject their bombload and gives the dogfhight a try since they flown 20 mins of their evening already and feel comfortable that they actually aren't going to die.

But yeah, maybe all server hosts can ban them?

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Maybe some people consider DCS an entertainment software and eject their bombload and gives the dogfhight a try since they flown 20 mins of their evening already and feel comfortable that they actually aren't going to die.

 

Really??? What is this witchcraft you speak of!

 

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Exactly that. If people want to fly it as a fighter fly it as a fighter. If people want to fly it as a bomber fly it as a bomber. When it’s released I shall do both but please people stop complaining.

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We all want to fly the F-14 as a Bombcat. You've missed the point if you're thinking anyone is against bombs. I'm nitpicking against what has been allowed to make it in the sim- as in a test loadout for primarily sales, that was determined to need work (separation issues) and not introduced to the fleet. This loadout was mainly marketing for the Marines who at that point were looking to buy a tomcat bomb hauler. The F-18 was a better buy for them and the Navy didn't see bombs in the Tomcats future at that point.

 

 

I can't wait to carry 2-4 Guided or unguided bombs with a mix of A-A weapons and a LANTIRN. It will be awesome.

 

For those of us who served, we want the tomcat we served with- nothing more. I admitted it is nitpicking. To HB's credit- they included the 14 bomb load to show what the airframe was capable of- dragging 4 GBU-12 around isn't going to impress anyone to what your true capabilities were. So they included it- and it has silenced a lot of naysayers who didn't know the strike potential of the Tomcat.

 

 

Hopefully this clears the air. No more nitpicking, waiting patiently for release when its ready.

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We all want to fly the F-14 as a Bombcat. You've missed the point if you're thinking anyone is against bombs. I'm nitpicking against what has been allowed to make it in the sim- as in a test loadout for primarily sales, that was determined to need work (separation issues) and not introduced to the fleet. This loadout was mainly marketing for the Marines who at that point were looking to buy a tomcat bomb hauler. The F-18 was a better buy for them and the Navy didn't see bombs in the Tomcats future at that point.

 

 

I can't wait to carry 2-4 Guided or unguided bombs with a mix of A-A weapons and a LANTIRN. It will be awesome.

 

For those of us who served, we want the tomcat we served with- nothing more. I admitted it is nitpicking. To HB's credit- they included the 14 bomb load to show what the airframe was capable of- dragging 4 GBU-12 around isn't going to impress anyone to what your true capabilities were. So they included it- and it has silenced a lot of naysayers who didn't know the strike potential of the Tomcat.

 

 

 

Hopefully this clears the air. No more nitpicking, waiting patiently for release when its ready.

 

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Maybe some people consider DCS an entertainment software and eject their bombload and gives the dogfhight a try since they flown 20 mins of their evening already and feel comfortable that they actually aren't going to die.

But yeah, maybe all server hosts can ban them?

 

 

I like this. Ban everyone who plays DCS except for myself. Let's see if we can make that happen.

 

 

Seriously though, my rants are about people who carry a crappy mixed loadout, and then get angry when they can't really do either A2A or A2G usefully. Even if you can, you're best just concentrating on the mission and letting friendlies help out. Last night on Georgia at War, we had an F-15 and F/A-18 escorting an A-10, which worked great until the two CAP pilots flew into Sukhumi's SAM coverage trying to knock down a fighter scramble (one of those CAP pilots may have been yours truly). Teamwork is key, which is why I highly recommend sticking to one mission at a time.

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Your stance makes sense in a coordinating multiplayer virtual war environment BIH.

 

However, when it comes to any other type of play I'll do what the hell I like thanks.

 

 

I've tried my hand at dogfighting in the Su-25T. Offline. With low fuel and just A2A, I wouldn't want to go up against it.

 

 

If other human players are relying on me to do my job, I'm not taking an Su-25T up for CAP.

 

 

I mostly play MP nowadays. I guess I need to explain in my posts that most of my ideas are geared at MP use.

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Finally, someone released another Tomcat video:

 

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Honestly, the idea that the tomcat is even capable of going out on a bombload like this is a real surprise for me.

 

For the longest time, I always thought the tomcat is normally loaded with 4 PGM and nothing more. Payload might be light and I am fine with flying a tomcat in bombing missions, but the ability to load a whopping 14 mk82s and drop tanks would make the tomcat a dream when it comes to long distance carpet bombing with 3 other buddies with you.

 

And for those who want to fly the tomcat as authentic as possible, no one is forcing you to load that many bombs.

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BTW you could take 18 in total... dealwithit.png

 

what I'm looking forward to is testing how fast she can go with different bomb loads. Wouldn't be surprised if a 'cat with 4 bombs could still outrun a clean Hornet, having enough potential here is where you win the prizes salute.png

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Not sure if it was answered by HB before, but I presume the F-14A will also be capable of dropping bombs, right?

 

I know that they're making the mid-80's standard, but AFAIK, the A2G panel was present on the F-14A and (if wired and connected) technically it should be able to drop bombs, it's just that it wasn't tested and used back then. Right?

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Not sure if it was answered by HB before, but I presume the F-14A will also be capable of dropping bombs, right?

 

I know that they're making the mid-80's standard, but AFAIK, the A2G panel was present on the F-14A and (if wired and connected) technically it should be able to drop bombs, it's just that it wasn't tested and used back then. Right?

 

It will have the same basic A/G functionality as the -B.

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It will have the same basic A/G functionality as the -B.

 

Great, thanks for confirming that.

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