I was expecting RWR in our Mi-24, SPO-15 was there IRL... why not in DCS?

At mid 80s Mi-24 was exported with RWR. You can see SPO-15 antenna in both versions and two different countries, Cuba and Germany. I don’t see the reason we are not getting RWR as last video show.

Is ours meant to be an export version?

I opened a topic in the wishlist section asking for it...I really hope ED incorporates it somewhere down the road.

So far i read out of the many Post's, only the export Version's of the MI-24 use the SPO-15.

Interesting if no RWR, again.

At least with the MiG-23MLA the RAZBAM gives us choice to have a SPO-10 or SPO-15 in it, so we get to choose do we use what year version in missions.

Would be nice to see the SPO-15 in the Mi-24 at least as special option so it gets attached to HUD edge or something.

Interesting, were radar-guided weapons and fast jets not something the Soviets were worried about? I doubt it came up in Afghanistan.

EDIT: I misread this and assumed the Hind had no RWR at all. Seems that it does.

Is ours meant to be an export version?

Nope

So far i read out of the many Post's, only the export Version's of the MI-24 use the SPO-15.

So no RWR for our russian Mi-24.

Nope

 

So no RWR for our russian Mi-24.

But... how come you have the last word? When did you decided the roadmap for Mi-24?

I am not sure - but it seems like OP is asking for a very specific RWR > namely the SPO-15,

To me it looks like the thread derailed a little bit, and now you guys are discussing NO RWR.

You can pretty clearly see in the video, that the Helicopter we are getting is (currently) equipped with a SPO-4 RWR (Same as MiG-21)

While a SPO-15 would clearly be better I would argue, for a helicopter, and the role it has, a SPO-4 is sufficient.

You don't NEED to know exacly where the SAM is - all you need to know is that a radar is looking at you, and from the rough direction - and when it is locking you up.

Nope

 

So no RWR for our russian Mi-24.

Would not go so far...

The Antenna Fairings on the Pictures from Pepin are only needed for the SPO-15, think i read somewhere in the Russian Thread the DCS MI-24 will equipped with the more cheaper SPO-10 what the Russian MI-24 used in Service..

Edit: Grodlund was faster

For one thing, if we got the export version we would have to talk about the Mi-35P. On the other hand

it doesn't make sense. In the mid-80s, the improved SPO-15 was used from the Mi-24W and upwards. I think ED wants to develop as close to reality as possible?

I don’t find any designation name other than Mi-24P also for the export version. Mi-35 is a post Soviet Era.

Think there is no other Designation, think it is simple a Option by Customer who recived the MI-24.

Also this not a huge lose compare to the SPO-10 in Helicopter.

Even when you look the MI-24 P in Syria they still miss the SPO-15 Fairings.

But so far could not find any Russian MI-24 with this Fairings, could also not find any reliable Source about this but seem's the russian didnt need it. same story Ka-50

You can pretty clearly see in the video, that the Helicopter we are getting is (currently) equipped with a SPO-4 RWR (Same as MiG-21)

MiG-21Bis has SPO-10, but we get your point.

I didn't even notice it at first before you mentioned the video, I was admiring completely other things there :-P

While a SPO-15 would clearly be better I would argue, for a helicopter, and the role it has, a SPO-4 is sufficient.

SPO-10 is enough for helicopters, as long it is properly modeled.

You don't NEED to know exacly where the SAM is - all you need to know is that a radar is looking at you, and from the rough direction - and when it is locking you up.

Yes. 30 degree accuracy is enough for majority of situations. As you are not there for long.

But hopefully SPO-10 gets properly modeled.

And one can triangulate a radar location fairly accurately with even SPO-10, it does require more time (by distance) than SPO-15, but it is enough, especially when Mi-24 has nice moving map.

SPO-10 yeah, sorry.

I just seem to remember that the number indicates how many indicator lights is on the RWR.

Anyways.

Yes. The SPO-10 in the MiG-21 has been broken from release. And IIRC, Leatherneck/Magnitude is aware that it is not modeled properly. Why it takes years and years to fix such an important instrument is beyond me.

At the end of the day, I think SPO-10 is well good enough.

You know the rough direction, so you can LOS the radar - and you now when you're getting locked, so you now when to take evasive action.

Did ED official Mi-24P as a Russian version only? Cuz you don’t see SPO-15 in the video doesn’t mean will not be as option in mission editor.

SPO-10 yeah, sorry.

I just seem to remember that the number indicates how many indicator lights is on the RWR.

Anyways.

 

Yes. The SPO-10 in the MiG-21 has been broken from release. And IIRC, Leatherneck/Magnitude is aware that it is not modeled properly. Why it takes years and years to fix such an important instrument is beyond me.

 

At the end of the day, I think SPO-10 is well good enough.

You know the rough direction, so you can LOS the radar - and you now when you're getting locked, so you now when to take evasive action.

MiG-21 SPO-10 was re coded with new documents and is now very realistic. You just have to check mark experimental features in options to try it. It’s really cool, only beeps when a radar beam passes over it, so I can tell how many updates your getting from TWS, if there’s one person:megalol:

I hope it’s ported over to Mi-24, it’s really cool how it works now, and I can’t think of a way it could be more realistic

You can pretty clearly see in the video, that the Helicopter we are getting is (currently) equipped with a SPO-4 RWR (Same as MiG-21)

 

While a SPO-15 would clearly be better I would argue, for a helicopter, and the role it has, a SPO-4 is sufficient.

 

You don't NEED to know exacly where the SAM is - all you need to know is that a radar is looking at you, and from the rough direction - and when it is locking you up.

Edit: Should read the whole thing first

TBH the -10 would be enough IMHO as well. You'd even get the general direction from that, good enough.

I was wondering about this. Practically speaking, helos aren't typically going to be operating far from support, and the Red Tide original mindset would be doubly so. RWRs on a helo are a luxury rather than a necessity, and radar guided missiles from SAMs and aircraft are probably a very tertiary threat compared to AAA, shoulder launched, and small arms.

The essential helicopter RWR is one simple red lamp that lights up the second any signals are detected. It gives you some time to write a will down. Beyond that, there's very little you could do - you're probably flying low already since you're not dumb and this is a helicopter, you can't outrun any threats, and can't kill them either.

That’s true. Just keep in mind in DCS most of the time we are kind of scouts without support. I am talking about what we do statistical speaking is not exactly have support from fixed wings.

So taking that in mind. Our Mi-24P will go like the European frontline with MiG-21 and MiG-23 covering us (lets no to talk about FC3 MiG-29) also keep in mind ED doesn’t want upgrade the Air Defense units so the possibilities of an air defense ambush are minimal in DCS.

So I understand ED want to make a closest Russian P version. The reality in DCS is even worst tactically speaking. Worst than the possible response make by Warsaw Pact Mi-24P export version.

I honestly don’t know what is the difference in Avionic for Mi-24P Warsaw Pact export version. But the Research for implementation of SPO-15 as a export version is possible. In this case we will be bias and unfair if we have account the Warsaw Pact versión have not a map in DCS for a SPO-15 sensor implementation. We already have weapons and systems in DCS that doesn’t have a specific map IRL speaking...

One reason probably why we don't get SPO-15 is that ED has said that they so not fix the SPO-15 in Su-27/33/MiG-29 as long there ain't a full DCS module.

So if we would get properly done SPO-15, it would be needed to come to rest a well.

One reason probably why we don't get SPO-15 is that ED has said that they so not fix the SPO-15 in Su-27/33/MiG-29 as long there ain't a full DCS module.

 

So if we would get properly done SPO-15, it would be needed to come to rest a well.

At this point, did you forgot the RWR SPO-15 in our MiG-23?

At this point, did you forgot the RWR SPO-15 in our MiG-23?

Ed is not developing the Mig23.

Ed is not developing the Mig23.

you're right. Also what said Fri13 above on some point make sense.