HP's Reverb VR Pro Headset

I used the Ready on the Ramp as that used to suck. I took off and flew around downtown at 400-2000ft (mostly 400). With DCS FPS counter,

 

I was in the 60's and high 50's most of the time. It was visually smooth. It's been smooth for me for a very long time now.

Do you use 60hz setting in WMR?

You do not use reprojection ?

The reason I’m asking because being below 90fps in 90 fps setting cannot be smooth without reprojection.

The reason is that in 90hz if you are below 90fps there actually isnt a new frame produced when needed. This causes non smooth gaming. Its the same for 60hz setting, if going below 60fps there is to few frames to make smooth gaming.

With reprojection on you should see 45fps if 90hz set and 30fps if 60hz set.

So smooth gaming can be seen in 90hz with 90fps or 45fps with reprojection.

And 60hz with 60fps or 30fps with reprojection.

OK, finally got a chance to try this. I updated SteamVR and Windows, and DCS to the latest as of today.

 

I used the Ready on the Ramp as that used to suck. I took off and flew around downtown at 400-2000ft (mostly 400). With DCS FPS counter, I was in the 60's and high 50's most of the time. It was visually smooth. It's been smooth for me for a very long time now.

 

I saved the JSON file so I can provide the full report if anyone wants it. My HW spec is in the signature. Also, I just realized that I have Process Lasso. I set it to "Game/High" mode and haven't turned it off.

 

 

 

 

From fpsVR

fpsVR Report:

App: DCS HMD: HP Reverb VR Headset VR1000-2xxx0 (90.000 Hz, IPD 65.5)

GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti (26.21.14.4250) CPU: Intel® Core i7-8700K CPU @ 3.70GHz

Delivered fps: 61.6 Duration: 8.5min.

GPU Frametimes:

Median: 14.4 ms

99th percentile: 19.9 ms

99.9th percentile: >30 ms

frametime <11.1ms(vsync): 28.2%

CPU frametime:

Median: 9.9 ms

99th percentile: 13.9 ms

99.9th percentile: >30 ms

frametime <11.1ms(vsync): 76.3%

Max. SteamVR SS: 100%

Render resolution per eye: 2700x2644(by SteamVR settings, Max.) (HMD driver recommended: 2700x2644)

Thanks for that. Howevewr, the test is irrelevant now after all this time as 2.5.6 has completely changed everything.

Do you use 60hz setting in WMR?

You do not use reprojection ?

 

The reason I’m asking because being below 90fps in 90 fps setting cannot be smooth without reprojection.

The reason is that in 90hz if you are below 90fps there actually isnt a new frame produced when needed. This causes non smooth gaming. Its the same for 60hz setting, if going below 60fps there is to few frames to make smooth gaming.

With reprojection on you should see 45fps if 90hz set and 30fps if 60hz set.

 

So smooth gaming can be seen in 90hz with 90fps or 45fps with reprojection.

And 60hz with 60fps or 30fps with reprojection.

Whatever is the default. I'll double check later tonight. But I figured it was off because FPS was going up and down high 50's to 60's etc. In the past, with Rift, ASW/ATW would lock it at 90 or 45. So I was assuming it was off. I'll double check. But I didn't notice any judder or anything.

Whatever is the default. I'll double check later tonight. But I figured it was off because FPS was going up and down high 50's to 60's etc. In the past, with Rift, ASW/ATW would lock it at 90 or 45. So I was assuming it was off. I'll double check. But I didn't notice any judder or anything.

There is a bug ( WMR I guees), sometimes the headset get set to 60hz even if the setting in WMR is 90hz. Mostly happens to me if the headset is connected duribg start of windows. I always start windows snd then connect headset, that sets it to the correct setting.

Default should be 90hz but you can manually set it to 60 if you like.

With reprojection off you wont have really smooth gaming unless the fps is at least the same as the headset hz -setting (90 or 60).

What you might want to do is to activate reprojection, either in ”auto ” or in “motionvector”.

When enabled you shouldnt see fps hunting around but stay at 45fps as long as the computer is up to not go below 45. It should give you smoother gaming, actually.

Of course, if you are happy ”as is” there is no need to do this but I suggest trying :-)

Only for vision correction, I actually asked about IPD correction or wider sweet spot, but was told no.

 

The most frustrating thing about the reverb is that it could have been the "near" perfect VR HMD for the next few years. If they spent more time on Q/A testing (as seen by the cable/durability issues). And had managed to either ship it with a IPD adjustable design or had done a bit better on the lenses (though the two issues are related) and better color for the panels. They could have IMO charged at least a few hundred more had they sorted those issues out.

And I would have gladly paid a couple of Hundy more if they had sorted it out better. The rez is amazing but the rest of it seems poorly thought through and poorly executed.

There is a bug ( WMR I guees), sometimes the headset get set to 60hz even if the setting in WMR is 90hz. Mostly happens to me if the headset is connected duribg start of windows. I always start windows snd then connect headset, that sets it to the correct setting.

Default should be 90hz but you can manually set it to 60 if you like.

 

With reprojection off you wont have really smooth gaming unless the fps is at least the same as the headset hz -setting (90 or 60).

 

What you might want to do is to activate reprojection, either in ”auto ” or in “motionvector”.

When enabled you shouldnt see fps hunting around but stay at 45fps as long as the computer is up to not go below 45. It should give you smoother gaming, actually.

Of course, if you are happy ”as is” there is no need to do this but I suggest trying :-)

stupid question: How do you activate reprojection?

And I would have gladly paid a couple of Hundy more if they had sorted it out better. The rez is amazing but the rest of it seems poorly thought through and poorly executed.

For £600 it’s a fantastic HMD. Of course, if it cost £1000 with various improvements it would be a better HMD. But, you could say that about any product and, it’s hard enough to get consumers to pay the current HMD headset prices!

stupid question: How do you activate reprojection?

You’ll see it near the bottom here https://vr4dcs.com/2019/09/10/reverb-settings-for-dcs/

stupid question: How do you activate reprojection?

Notso,

Here is a link to a great resource for manually tweaking settings in Steam VR for WMR, which includes how to turn reprojection on and off.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/mixed-reality/enthusiast-guide/using-steamvr-with-windows-mixed-reality

For £600 it’s a fantastic HMD. Of course, if it cost £1000 with various improvements it would be a better HMD. But, you could say that about any product and, it’s hard enough to get consumers to pay the current HMD headset prices!

Yes.

The dream had been to have a bigger difference between normal and the Pro version.

A much better lens with wider focus and mechanical adjustable IPD would make it much better.

The small focus area have to be only a question of cost of the lens, as the real IPD adjustment is.

Do you use 60hz setting in WMR?

You do not use reprojection ?

 

The reason I’m asking because being below 90fps in 90 fps setting cannot be smooth without reprojection.

The reason is that in 90hz if you are below 90fps there actually isnt a new frame produced when needed. This causes non smooth gaming. Its the same for 60hz setting, if going below 60fps there is to few frames to make smooth gaming.

With reprojection on you should see 45fps if 90hz set and 30fps if 60hz set.

 

So smooth gaming can be seen in 90hz with 90fps or 45fps with reprojection.

And 60hz with 60fps or 30fps with reprojection.

So here are the settings (all default by the way). As I mentioned, I don't really see glitches or judder. Not in the flight that I mentioned (FA18/PG map, Ready on the ramp Instant action). Also, the WMR screen didn't catch it all, but I have the 60Hz/90Hz setting as "Automatic" which is the default.

WMR settings

SteamVR GENERAL settings

SteamVR Video settings

And motion reprojection is commented out

Hey all. I've accidentally become the owner of a new reverb pro.(long story)

I have 2 rigs. A desktop running a new i7 @5.0 GHz w/32gb of RAM and a 1080ti

And

An MSI laptop running an i7 at 5.0ghz with 16gb of RAM and a 2080 8gb(I don't think it's 6gb)

So now the question is, hypothetically, will the 2080 pull better fps with the same graphics settings? Or will the only 8gb vram and 16gb of RAM hamstring it enough that my 1080ti desktop will deliver better or equal performance?

Both rigs running Samsung nVME drives

Thanks for the input. You folks are far more versed and experienced on what to expect.

Coming from Gen 1 Oddessey

Markeebo

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Hey all. I've accidentally become the owner of a new reverb pro.

 

I have 2 rigs. A desktop running a new i7 @5.0 GHz w/32gb of RAM and a 1080ti

 

And

 

An MSI laptop running an i7 at 5.0ghz with 16gb of RAM and a 2080 8gb(I don't think it's 6gb)

 

So now the question is, hypothetically, will the 2080 pull better fps with the same graphics settings? Or will the only 8gb vram and 16gb of RAM hamstring it enough that my 1080ti desktop will deliver better or equal perfo?

 

Both rigs running Samsung nVME drives

 

Thanks for the input.

 

Markeebo

 

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I would bet a 1080i with 32GB outperforms your laptop

I would bet a 1080i with 32GB outperforms your laptop

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Hey all. I've accidentally become the owner of a new reverb pro.(long story)

 

I have 2 rigs. A desktop running a new i7 @5.0 GHz w/32gb of RAM and a 1080ti

 

And

 

An MSI laptop running an i7 at 5.0ghz with 16gb of RAM and a 2080 8gb(I don't think it's 6gb)

 

So now the question is, hypothetically, will the 2080 pull better fps with the same graphics settings? Or will the only 8gb vram and 16gb of RAM hamstring it enough that my 1080ti desktop will deliver better or equal performance?

 

Both rigs running Samsung nVME drives

 

Thanks for the input. You folks are far more versed and experienced on what to expect.

 

Coming from Gen 1 Oddessey

 

Markeebo

 

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The 1080ti outperforms 2080 by 9%, 2080 is cheaper also.

Hey all. I've accidentally become the owner of a new reverb pro.(long story)

 

I have 2 rigs. A desktop running a new i7 @5.0 GHz w/32gb of RAM and a 1080ti

 

And

 

An MSI laptop running an i7 at 5.0ghz with 16gb of RAM and a 2080 8gb(I don't think it's 6gb)

 

So now the question is, hypothetically, will the 2080 pull better fps with the same graphics settings? Or will the only 8gb vram and 16gb of RAM hamstring it enough that my 1080ti desktop will deliver better or equal performance?

 

Both rigs running Samsung nVME drives

 

Thanks for the input. You folks are far more versed and experienced on what to expect.

 

Coming from Gen 1 Oddessey

 

Markeebo

 

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your desktop rig is very similar to mine .. you will have fun ... compared to the Oddy .. prepare to have your mind blown!

your desktop rig is very similar to mine .. you will have fun ... compared to the Oddy .. prepare to have your mind blown!

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your desktop rig is very similar to mine .. you will have fun ... compared to the Oddy .. prepare to have your mind blown!

Appreciate the input from all.

Markeebo

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Check my sig for my current settings, I now run flat shadows and mirrors full time,since I upgraded from the 6600k

Check my sig for my current settings, I now run flat shadows and mirrors full time,since I upgraded from the 6600k

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FYI

I think the Reverb graphics textures rendering is now separated from the two screen mirror(s) rendering. I saw no difference in the goggles with setting terrain/textures both to low in the config page. Gained some smoothness and frames. Perhaps somebody can confirm this?

Thanks. I'm using Tapatalk and I don't think sigs are viewable. I went to my desktop and looked at it. A great help. Now that I have it running, I think I need a towel and a cigarette.

 

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In the bottom of stuartastons post there is a bold text ”VR stuff” and next right of it ”My DCS VR Settings”. Klick on it and you will see.

Sorry in advance, for what's probably a stupid question, but...

Does the HP Reverb require me to manually check for a latest driver of firmware? Does HP even provide driver/firmware support?

I checked the HP website driver section, but it says my system OS is not recognized :huh: (using Win10 ver1909, just as most Reverb users here)

Sorry in advance, for what's probably a stupid question, but...

 

Does the HP Reverb require me to manually check for a latest driver of firmware? Does HP even provide driver/firmware support?

 

I checked the HP website driver section, but it says my system OS is not recognized :huh: (using Win10 ver1909, just as most Reverb users here)

Can't remember ever to load HP drivers, it's all conforming to Microsoft standards it appears, but for all this Steam bullcrap on top of course to run DCS, and proprietary MS VR software half a page of nothingess.

Sorry in advance, for what's probably a stupid question, but...

 

Does the HP Reverb require me to manually check for a latest driver of firmware? Does HP even provide driver/firmware support?

 

I checked the HP website driver section, but it says my system OS is not recognized :huh: (using Win10 ver1909, just as most Reverb users here)

nope windows will do it for you