HP's Reverb VR Pro Headset

HP's Reverb VR Pro Headset

Buckeye. We get you like pimax.

 

All we ask is you stick to the facts when posting on this thread. You appear to be making it up as you go along.

 

"No ipd adjustment". WRONG.

 

"110 degrees FoV". WRONG.

 

Eh, I highlighted both of HP’s biggest shortcuts on the Reverb (and what I feel are clearly it’s biggest shortcomings vs its current competition), not sure where the issue with that is?

If you want to circlejerk without interruption, with no opposing thoughts, opinions or questions, go to the HP forums and do it there.

The fact of the matter is there is no perfect HMD available and it’s all about making a decision on which option you’re willing to trade off.

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I am getting the same currently around 45, 30 on the ground, but it is smooth and I have no issues tracking or feeling sick.

 

I would look at it like investing in the future, ED have talked about vulcan and I would like to think once we do see it frames would improve for VR and make using the next gen headsets more viable.

 

I am very interested in reverb, I hope we see more reveals and eventually users with hands on reviews

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Like I was saying, its much easier to upgrade individual hardware components as CPU and GPU technology advances than it is to give an HMD higher-resolution displays than what it came with.

As I said, that fixes the stereo effect, so you won't have to unnaturaly cross your eyes. But if your pupils are not in the place where the lenses focus the light - good luck with fixing that in software.

 

Guys, it's not magic, it's optics. There are already many headsets with software IPD adjustments on the market (psvr and most wmr headsets). Go check out how they work.

 

The only variable here in layman's terms, is the size of "sweet spot", which depends on the lenses shape and size. It's quite possible that it will be a tad bigger than in current headsets, maybe at a cost of other things. But it's just something that requires attention, and needs case by case evaluation. Especially if your IPD is different than 63-64.

Well the rifts lenses are fixed, dunno about other HMD's but I'd guess most of them are too. Plus the Reverb "claims" to have a big ol sweet spot due to their square circle lens design. So instead of ****ing with a manual lever, I use a slider on the screen to do the same thing for IPD adjustment.

Well the rifts lenses are fixed, dunno about other HMD's but I'd guess most of them are too.

Neither original rift, vive, pimax 5k, or odyssey+ have fixed lenses. Cosmos also looks like it will have adjustable IPD.

By "f ****ing with a manual lever" you move the lenses and change how light travels from screen to your eyes. Software slider will only move the image on the screen behind them (purple line on the picture below), but it won't change the place where the light is focused. Two different things, no matter what the marketing department says.

Neither original rift, vive, pimax 5k, or odyssey+ have fixed lenses. Cosmos also looks like it will have adjustable IPD.

 

 

By "f ****ing with a manual lever" you move the lenses and change how light travels from screen to your eyes. Software slider will only move the image on the screen behind them (purple line on the picture below), but it won't change the place where the light is focused. Two different things, no matter what the marketing department says.

 

Got it.

All these headsets also feature 2 screens. One informs of every eye. They too move when adjusting to yourIPD. This ensures that all of the screen is visible to everybody independent of the IPD.

Eh, I highlighted both of HP’s biggest shortcuts on the Reverb (and what I feel are clearly it’s biggest shortcomings vs its current competition), not sure where the issue with that is?

 

If you want to circlejerk without interruption, with no opposing thoughts, opinions or questions, go to the HP forums and do it there.

 

The fact of the matter is there is no perfect HMD available and it’s all about making a decision on which option you’re willing to trade off.

 

 

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For me, my IPD is basically the default (62 and some change vs 63 in the headset), and I massively value PPD over FOV at the moment. The Reverb's PPD should finally get us somewhere near the visibility you get from a 1080p monitor, depending on how you set it up. E.G. a 24 inch 1080p screen spaced 1ft in front of your face would have a PPD of 23.4, Reverb is apparently 25PPD (though I've not seen that 100% confirmed yet). I care most of all about being able to see the cockpit clearly, which isn't possible on headsets like the Odyssey (it's good, just not clear enough to always read MFDs/dials without zooming).

FOV is secondary to me and comes with its own challenges - the higher the FOV, the more stuff is visible and the more taxing it is on the frame rate. I'm willing to wait for hardware to catch up to increase the FOV at a higher level of clarity. We do have to make a trade-off, and I think the Pimax 5K+ and the Reverb represent the peak of what's possible for both approaches - the Reverb is probably as detailed an image as we can get with current hardware on a standard FOV, and the Pimax is as high an FOV as we can get with current hardware with a slight detail bump. Obviously it's horses for courses, but for people who value FOV or who value clarity, I think their respective choices are obvious - and it's a great thing that we have that choice!

this will be my next HMD :)

Cockpit instrument clarity is paramount for me. Currently the Rift displays all the new F/A-18C radar and SA contact D/L and IFF data as a colored blur. Not good enough for "serious" combat. High hopes for the Reverb.

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Does anyone else notice absolutely NO difference adjusting mechanical IPD in VR? I've owned the Vive, Vive Pro, Rift, Odyssey, Odyssey+, and Pimax5k now. Adjusting the IPD with the mech adjustments does nothing other than narrow/widen my field of view, it has no other effect on how the image looks. It just makes the view look a little more/less like looking through binoculars, but that's it. NBD either way for me, IPD adjustments make no difference in clarity/etc for me, none at all.

Is this common, or just me?

It definitely changes how sharp I see the Oculus calibration cross and small text. In 3D game, looking around, the difference is not as obvious at the first sight, but it's there.

Does anyone else notice absolutely NO difference adjusting mechanical IPD in VR? I've owned the Vive, Vive Pro, Rift, Odyssey, Odyssey+, and Pimax5k now. Adjusting the IPD with the mech adjustments does nothing other than narrow/widen my field of view, it has no other effect on how the image looks. It just makes the view look a little more/less like looking through binoculars, but that's it. NBD either way for me, IPD adjustments make no difference in clarity/etc for me, none at all.

 

 

Is this common, or just me?

I was thinking that too. I just chalked it up to "I must be the average" and it doesn't hurt or help much. I mean I do line up the cross hairs as best I can. But then I'm also thinking that my Astigmatism is getting in the way.

Does anyone else notice absolutely NO difference adjusting mechanical IPD in VR? I've owned the Vive, Vive Pro, Rift, Odyssey, Odyssey+, and Pimax5k now. Adjusting the IPD with the mech adjustments does nothing other than narrow/widen my field of view, it has no other effect on how the image looks. It just makes the view look a little more/less like looking through binoculars, but that's it. NBD either way for me, IPD adjustments make no difference in clarity/etc for me, none at all.

 

 

Is this common, or just me?

I find that if I get it just right, it makes the placards in the cockpit a little bit sharper. Certainly not a show stopping difference though. But, the more critical alignment I have noticed is the vertical. Doesn't take much vertical displacement of the lenses in my Rift to make things start to get blurry. That's easy to adjust though, we just pull the HMD down a little further. :D

My IPD is 67 so should be OK for software alignment. For those with such need should be made some DIY modification like in this example with Lenovo Explorer WMR or some people do it with Pimax 4K in the past.

Other is a suggestion for HMD production. They say the problem is with physical IPD adjustment increasing cost of production and additional weight.

They should do some easy assembly here will be possible to manually single time is possible to adjust this IPD just by having the larger elliptic hole for a screw. That way you could just loosen such screw move lens left or right and then tighten a screw and fixed it to the new needed IPD. If you are not confident to do by you should be cheap but easily doable in the nearest mobile service. This is anyway consumer version and once done by your own need should stay that way perfectly adapted to the customer need.

I know that I get god rays in my actual eyes even when I'm not wearing the rift, so that has never bothered me :)

I have the Vive, and use the IPD adjusted all the way in. If I adjust it out, not even very far (don't remember the numbers), it becomes really uncomfortable, and straining, if all the way out, the Vive is completely unusable for me.

 

So, I do hope the Reverb will have mechanical adjustments as its looking to be my next HMD at this time, as Fakebook, HTC, & Valve, seem to have no interest in producing a next generation PC HMD.

I'm with you, I get lots of eye strain if I don't have the IPD dialed in. I think this varies greatly person to person.

I have the Vive, and use the IPD adjusted all the way in. If I adjust it out, not even very far (don't remember the numbers), it becomes really uncomfortable, and straining, if all the way out, the Vive is completely unusable for me.

 

So, I do hope the Reverb will have mechanical adjustments as its looking to be my next HMD at this time, as Fakebook, HTC, & Valve, seem to have no interest in producing a next generation PC HMD.

Well, you can hope in one hand, and you know what in the other. :)

As reported the Reverb IPD will be software adjustable not mechanical with a much larger eye-box/sweet spot based on its "square-circle" type optics which can supposedly accommodate more people. At the end of the day, we won't really know if its any good until some actual real-world reviews come out about it.

I don't think a consumer solution will ever be the sort of thing that the guy is doing in the video. Enthusiasts and desperate people might be willing to do that. But Veronica VR just wants her headset to work out of the box.

Me too! No difference with IPD adjustment????

Gee, that kinda it makes it a no go :cry: . I'd have to be able to spend some time using one before I'd consider purchasing one with that said.

Looking like maybe HTC Cosmos, or Valve Index now.

https://uploadvr.com/valve-teases-index-vr-headset-for-may/

Might be relevant to your interests. Very intentional, I’d say, with the angle of the shot on the IPD adjustment wheel

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https://uploadvr.com/valve-teases-index-vr-headset-for-may/

 

Might be relevant to your interests. Very intentional, I’d say, with the angle of the shot on the IPD adjustment wheel

 

The IPD adjustment knob and FOV seem to be the focus of their current ad campaign, which makes me wonder if it has any other advantages. We'll have to wait and see if the display resolution improvement is worth it, or if the focus on the IPD knob is like a Fiat commercial focusing on cup holders. :)

The IPD adjustment knob and FOV seem to be the focus of their current ad campaign, which makes me wonder if it has any other advantages. We'll have to wait and see if the display resolution improvement is worth it, or if the focus on the IPD knob is like a Fiat commercial focusing on cup holders. :)

Yeah obviously they are targeting the Rift S market, with the Rift S having no hardware IPD adjustment and the smaller FOV.

They have certainly perked my interest.

Going to have some nice devices soon to choose from. Rift S starting to tumble toward the bottom in that consideration on my end.

The only thing that I will miss about the Rift is using the touch controllers in DCS. I’ve gotten used to having one by each hand to grab and manipulate switches, much more convenient.

My understanding is that DCS doesn’t support WMR controllers yet, so it’ll be back to trying to hold my head steady to click that tiny switch with the mouse.

Worth it for the resolution though, I think.

Well if its Vive pro res with a wider FOV that means a lower PPD than the Pro.

Gee, that kinda it makes it a no go :cry: . I'd have to be able to spend some time using one before I'd consider purchasing one with that said.

Looking like maybe HTC Cosmos, or Valve Index now.

I think the current focus on IPD with these sets is pretty speculative, I think we are going to have to wait for someone to actually try one. And at a guess, unless you have the IPD of Stewie Griffin you are probably fine.