Badhorsie53 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 (edited) I know there's been much discussion about deferred shading and settings for graphic cards, but with the release of 2.5 will anti-aliasing (AA) and anisotropic filtering (AF) work with graphic card settings? Currently DCS.exe doesn't see graphic card settings so in-game graphics look very jagged and ugly without the use of (AA) (AF). Discussions: Turn off AA/AF in game when using deferred shading. Except DCS.exe doesn't see graphic card settings so...no AA/AF applied:( Discussion Thread (feel free to move topic) just wanted it to be seen as approaching 2.5 update https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=188119 Edited January 29, 2018 by Badhorsie53 link discussion thread Spoiler System Specs: MB - MSI ACEX570S, AMD 5950X, 64GB 3600 NEO RAM, 3090 TI 24GB __ A-10C2 Wisconsin 176th (TFS) 128th (TFW) - Repaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droopy114 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 It work, but you have to: In game: *select 2x msaa Nvidia Control Panel: *Antialiasing-mode> enhance the application setting *Antialiasing-setting>2x *Multi-Frame Sampled (MFAA)>ON 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ala12Rv-watermanpc Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 It work, but you have to: In game: *select 2x msaa Nvidia Control Panel: *Antialiasing-mode> enhance the application setting *Antialiasing-setting>2x *Multi-Frame Sampled (MFAA)>ON So doing that makes the changes done with the nvidia control panel to work in DCS?...how is the performance and the image quality of the settings you posted? Thanks! Take a look at my MODS here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precog Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 I can get 2xMSAA..problem is performance tanks Check out my 'real world' video series [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droopy114 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 So doing that makes the changes done with the nvidia control panel to work in DCS?...how is the performance and the image quality of the settings you posted? Thanks! Yes, and it work very well. MFAA is great, cost less performance than msaa: https://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/mfaa At the begining, it was only available for a few games, but now seems to work in every game as long as there is a msaa setting. Performance cost: -10/12FPS, in the screenshot below , compared to the HDR, but it worth the few FPS lost... %5Bimg%5Dhttps%3A//image.ibb.co/d94kB6/Screen_180126_224312.jpg[/img] nvidia Inspector: %5Bimg%5Dhttps%3A//image.ibb.co/huC5B6/Capture.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealius Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 I have similar settings, except NVIDIA set to 8x instead of 2x. In-game results are roughly equivalent to 2xMSAA and still jaggy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabzi Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 This works best for me. No jaggies and performance is very good. In game: AF: 16X MSAA 2X Nvidia control panel: AF: application controlled AA: application controlled MFAA: enabled + SMAA enabled with Reshade (depth edge detection). i7-6850K | GTX1080 | 32GB DDR4 | Windows 10 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard1393 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 This works best for me. No jaggies and performance is very good. In game: AF: 16X MSAA 2X Nvidia control panel: AF: application controlled AA: application controlled MFAA: enabled + SMAA enabled with Reshade (depth edge detection). Thanks, these settings worked well for me too on a GTX 980. GPU: PALIT NVIDIA RTX 3080 10GB | CPU: Intel Core i7-9700K @ 4,9GHz | RAM: 64GB DDR4 3000MHz VR: HP Reverb G2 | HOTAS: TM Warthog Throttle and Stick OS: Windows 10 22H2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gliptal Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Looks like there's a bit of placebo going on here. Are you sure this is working? The way the rendering is done, nothing should be forceable through the panel with DS on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muse458 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Hi Guys, Few questions as I wait for the stable release are all the Nvidia control panel work arounds still required for 2.5? have they put in new AA in game? or is it just like 2.2 with MSAA and a halving of frame rates :( I hope its fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjacobsen Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Hi Guys, Few questions as I wait for the stable release are all the Nvidia control panel work arounds still required for 2.5? have they put in new AA in game? or is it just like 2.2 with MSAA and a halving of frame rates :( I hope its fixed It´s not fixed i7-10700K 3.8-5.1Ghz, 32GB RAM, RTX 4070 12GB, 1 x 1 TB SSD, 2 x 2TB SSD2 TB, 1 x 2 TBHDD 7200 RPM, Win10 Home 64bit, Meta Quest 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fakum Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Looks like there's a bit of placebo going on here. Are you sure this is working? The way the rendering is done, nothing should be forceable through the panel with DS on. I would love to hear the responses to this. I have to tinker now myself, and this is NOT my area of expertise. I would hate to waste my time on tinkering if it truly would have no effect IF DF was on,,, thanks Windows 10 Pro - 64 Bit / ASUS ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming / AMD 7800X3D / G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO 64GB DDR5 6000 Ram / SSD M.2 SK hynix Platinum P41 2TB / MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 4090 SUPRIM Liquid X 24G / SteelSeries Arctis 7 Headset /LG-Ultragear 38" IPS LED Ultrawide HD Monitor (3840 x 1600) / Track IR4 / Thrustmaster TPR Pendular Rudder Pedals / Virpil HOTAS VPC Constellation ALPHA-R & VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badhorsie53 Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 settings work good It work, but you have to: In game: *select 2x msaa Nvidia Control Panel: *Antialiasing-mode> enhance the application setting *Antialiasing-setting>2x *Multi-Frame Sampled (MFAA)>ON I just wanted to post update to this post. Thanks all that commented and the above settings work good, Thanks Droopy! DCS still doesn't grab setting from graphic card setup for AA/AF, but maybe in the future. Also like to note: 2.5 is simply amazing with deferred shading and lighting effects, trees, weapon effects, clouds, etc... Performance is real good also. Hats off to the DCS devs, very nice! Spoiler System Specs: MB - MSI ACEX570S, AMD 5950X, 64GB 3600 NEO RAM, 3090 TI 24GB __ A-10C2 Wisconsin 176th (TFS) 128th (TFW) - Repaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art-J Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Looks like there's a bit of placebo going on here. Are you sure this is working? The way the rendering is done, nothing should be forceable through the panel with DS on. From my point of view it's all like in 2.2 - with in-game AA off nothing can be forced by NVcpl except strictly post-processing methods (FXAA, SMAA via Reshade). Whether any "ehnacement of app setting" actually works with in-game AAx2 is open for debate. I don't see any difference, but there are people who swear to God they do :D. i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delareon Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 There are massive performance Problems and Bugs like you cant see anything at night. Well so the essence is: No currently it doesnt work in DCS 2.5 but there are workarounds, which probably help to get around until ED fixed this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gliptal Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3161121&postcount=110 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealius Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Whether any "ehnacement of app setting" actually works with in-game AAx2 is open for debate. I don't see any difference, but there are people who swear to God they do In 2.2 I did notice a difference, but it was minor. With Nvidia set to "enhance" at 8xAA and DCS set to 2xAA, my results were basically equivalent to somewhere around 4xAA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefVR Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 I am always back and forth in VR shading on or off... Without I can push render res to 1.5 and msaa 4x and everything looks sharp readable doesnt flicker but lightning is dull. with deferred shading i have to either turn iff msaa or put msaa 2x and render res down to 1.2 or 1.3 max for 45fps which has really nice lightning but everything flickers and text instruments are tough to read. very difficult. 8700k at 5GHz, Titan X Pascal at 2000 mhz snd 32 gb ram intrl optane ssd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ala12Rv-watermanpc Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Yes, and it work very well. MFAA is great, cost less performance than msaa: https://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/mfaa At the begining, it was only available for a few games, but now seems to work in every game as long as there is a msaa setting. Performance cost: -10/12FPS, in the screenshot below , compared to the HDR, but it worth the few FPS lost... %5Bimg%5Dhttps%3A//image.ibb.co/d94kB6/Screen_180126_224312.jpg[/img] nvidia Inspector: %5Bimg%5Dhttps%3A//image.ibb.co/huC5B6/Capture.jpg[/img] thanks a lot for the info mate!!...anyway, once I have to set 2xMSAA in game, whats the benefit of using the nvidia setting on top of that?? I don't see any improvement to be honest... thanks a lot! Take a look at my MODS here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDaniel Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) Ok guys...found my holy grail on my system.... always over 60 fps (vsync on) in Harrier, Normandy, with no edges without msaa msaa in game off! ...and no ...nothing placebo in my case...:smartass::pilotfly: https://www.dropbox.com/s/f8l6fk7vnkzyjcs/dcs2.5.JPG?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/bzi0xri2afdn6pj/DCS2.5NS2.JPG?dl=0 EDIT: Did some more testing, actually it's just the FXAA setting on which makes a difference in quality...Did also some testing with Reshade SMAA and FXAA, but best performance is with just the FXAA in NvidiaInspector On. McDan out Edited February 1, 2018 by McDaniel |AMD 7800x3D | 64GB DDR5-3600| GTX 4090 | Virpil Stick, Collectiv, WW MIP, WW Throttle, MFG Crosswind V2 | Windows 11 64-bit | SSD Samsung | 4K LG Oled 48 | Oculus Q3 | Simlab based Cockpit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gliptal Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Try with only MSAA on (no MFAA or SMAA), you should see no difference. Curious about the possibility of SMAA working though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav IRL Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Ok guys...found my holy grail on my system.... 60 fps in Harrier, Normandy, with no edges without msaa msaa in game off! ...and no ...nothing placebo in my case...:smartass::pilotfly: https://www.dropbox.com/s/om1hl4bue1bi8ts/DCS2.5NS.JPG?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/f8l6fk7vnkzyjcs/dcs2.5.JPG?dl=0 I have no time right now, but will try other settings tonight.... McDan out Will check this out tonight thank you 4.8 I7, 1080, TMW&T, SSD, VKB MK.IV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyCat Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Try with only MSAA on (no MFAA or SMAA), you should see no difference. Curious about the possibility of SMAA working though. I got SMAA working using ReShade https://reshade.me Looks much better than only deferred shading on. Still some small jaggies if you look close and some shimmering on power line towers and a few other things but it fixed my jaggies in the HUD at 2560x1400 res. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goa Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 I got SMAA working using ReShade https://reshade.me Looks much better than only deferred shading on. Still some small jaggies if you look close and some shimmering on power line towers and a few other things but it fixed my jaggies in the HUD at 2560x1400 res. I am using reshade as well, created a setting by enabling only SMAA, i see no difference at all with SMAA on or off CPU : Intel i7 8700k@5.0ghz cooled by Noctua NH-D15 / Motherboard:Asorck Z370 Taichi / RAM: 32GB GSkill TridentZ @3600mhz / SSD: 500GB Nvme Samsung 970 evo+1 TB Sabrent Nvme M2 / GPU:Asus Strix OC 2080TI / Monitor: LG 34KG950F Ultrawide / Trackir 5 proclip/ VIRPIL CM2 BASE + CM2 GRIP + F148 GRIP + 200M EXTENSION /VKB T-Rudder MKIV rudder /Case: Fractal Design R6 Define black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyCat Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Weird since it's really helping here with very little performance loss. My settings if you want to compare. I disabled the keys but you can enable them again so you can toggle ON/OFF. Effects=SMAA.fx KeyMonochrome=0,0,0,0 KeySMAA=83,0,0,0 Techniques=SMAA TechniqueSorting=SMAA KeyFXAA=0,0,0 [sMAA.fx] EdgeDetectionType=1 EdgeDetectionThreshold=0.100000 MaxSearchSteps=98 MaxSearchStepsDiagonal=16 CornerRounding=1 DebugOutput=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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