4790k to 8700k anyone?

One more that is pushing me over towards a 8700K ;)

 

Well have the 1080ti and the nvme... So just need:

CPU, Board, RAM!

Looking hard at a new Maximus X Formula - Just need to sell the idea to the wife !

What is this, amateur hour? Oh you have much to learn grasshopper.

Fake a BIOS problem, tinker for an hour or more while muttering to yourself, sigh a *lot*, bang on the keyboard, yell "I've had it with this Piece of S#%T" etc.etc.etc.

But be patient. You *have* to wait for her to say "what's wrong?" :D:D:D\\\\

You're welcome!

Thanks - will try that ;)

Michael.

I've updated from 4790K to 8700K about a month ago.

I did some before / after comparison back then on DCS 2.2 and the performance increase was there about 10% ball park for max FPS with 3440x1440 resolution. Anyhow, as my monitor is 100Hz g-sync I honestly did not really see the difference.

A more noticeable difference was with VR, where I can now get a more smooth experience. Less, if any, dropping in to the low <45 fps area, much more 90fps VR sweetness with the new build.

My update was from;

4790K@4.8GHz, MSI Z87 Gaming 5 and 32GB Corsair vengeance 2400 ddr3

to;

8700K@5.1GHz, Gigabyte Z370 Gaming 7 and 32GB GSkill trident-z 3600 ddr4

Other components like Samsung 960 EVO M.2 drive and GTX 1080Ti were kept the same.

I have a EKWB custom build water loop including both for CPU and GPU with 480 (4x120) and 420 (3x140) rads.

....and I still get an occasional DCS 2.5 complete game freeze (which I believe is a DCS 2.x core game engine bug) :(

Now, weather the update is really worth it is highly debatable. If feel it really depends; few additional fps for 1000 bucks. Not really worth it. Did not really make a difference if I was getting 80 - 100 fps on a 100Hz g-synch monitor compared to 90 - 100 now.

On the other hand VR flying experience with Oculus Rift CV1 is noticeably better now. Anyhow, as small tweak on PD earlier with 4790K, and it was pretty good too.

Other applications like photo / video editing (Adobe lightroom, photoshop, premiere, after effects....) is now of course noticeably faster.

Telecommunication networks related simulation I run for work goes through in 10 vs 18 minutes.

Now, I'm a bit of a PC nerd and I simply like messing around with latest gear, so hell yeah! It was worth it :thumbup:

The 8700k was really not a great processor. It lacks the PCIe lanes that you'll need with more storage devices. If disk access is limiting your DCS performance and causing stutters, then faster storage would be a better option.

With a 8700k, can you install two M.2 SSD disks running at full speed?

Sold !

Just need to settle on RAM...

G.Skill Ripjaws 3200 CL14 32GB kit (2x16) or will a faster with higher CL be better? something like G.Skill TridentZ 3466 CL16 or 3600 CL17..

Can even go 3866 CL18, but have no idea of what is the better for things like DCS in VR?

With a 8700k, can you install two M.2 SSD disks running at full speed?

Only the motherboard layout will answer to your question. The chipset allows to have two M.2 slots. Anyway, read carefully if they are SATA or NVmE types and take in consideration when you will buy the SSDs.

4770 to 8700 makes for me a considerable difference from bearable to playable on both 4K and VR.

Intel Extrem Tuning benchmarking software report around 1200 pts for 4770 and 2500 pts for 8700.

With a 8700k, can you install two M.2 SSD disks running at full speed?

ehhhh NO !

BOTH are connected with a PCIe-x4 to the PCH, which itself only has a 4x connection to the CPU.

You cannot use both at full speed at the same time. AMD Ryzen can do that, that chipset has 2 dedicated 4x connections to the CPU. Intel hasn't

Sold !

Just need to settle on RAM...

G.Skill Ripjaws 3200 CL14 32GB kit (2x16) or will a faster with higher CL be better? something like G.Skill TridentZ 3466 CL16 or 3600 CL17..

Can even go 3866 CL18, but have no idea of what is the better for things like DCS in VR?

Higher frequency and lower CL (CAS Latency) is better. Differences are fairly negligible and not proportional to price differences though.

ehhhh NO !

 

BOTH are connected with a PCIe-x4 to the PCH, which itself only has a 4x connection to the CPU.

 

You cannot use both at full speed at the same time. AMD Ryzen can do that, that chipset has 2 dedicated 4x connections to the CPU. Intel hasn't

Actually it can by disabling other SATA ports automatically.

With a 8700k, can you install two M.2 SSD disks running at full speed?

You really only have one x4 that is divided in half with the two SSD.

I got your point, in my case could be some extra chipsets doing the job.

Here it is an extras from my MB manual. It says clearly the conditions for x2 and x4 and is not mentioning anything about M.2 slots dependencies to each other.

It is indeed mentioning for rest of them conditions for speed multiplier...

Actually it can by disabling other SATA ports automatically.

No, you didnt get the point at all Abburo.

ALL of your SIX Sata and ALL of your NVMe = PCH = PCIe4x ( + other PCIe-Slots + Audio + USB3.1 + Gbit + WLAN )..quite a lot for 4 lanes

It all comes down to 4 lanes, hence my prayer to give us at least 32 lanes.

AMD does have this for 2 NVMe with Ryzen AM4 and 3x with TR4, plus all the extra lanes on TR.

YOu are right that you can hook it up that way, it just wont have full speed on each connector at any time together with another one, it's an EITHER-OR scenario

Just bought a 8700k today with the following:

8700k

ASRock Extreme4 Z370 MB

16GB 3200MHz DDR4 Corsair Vengeance RAM

Noctura NH-D15S Cooler

Should all arrive tomorrow.......

My hope is to get a stable 5GHz OC and hopefully see a boost to VR (less dips below 45FPS) or maybe even 2xMSAA with 1.5PD but I think that is a pipe dream!

In the future I will probably upgrade to a M.2 SSD for DCS and leave Windows on a SATA SSD. I will also upgrade to 32GB RAM.

Abburo our specs will be near identical so I would be interested in what settings you are running for VR.

Well the order is made:

I7-8700K, Asus Maximus X Formula, 32GB G.Skill Ribjaws 3200/CL14, and a Samsung M.2 NVme 1TB Evo Pro. The GTX1080Ti will have to stay ;)

The board is not in stok so looking at 7-9 days of waiting.

Michael.

Just bought a 8700k today with the following:

 

8700k

ASRock Extreme4 Z370 MB

16GB 3200MHz DDR4 Corsair Vengeance RAM

Noctura NH-D15S Cooler

 

Should all arrive tomorrow.......

 

My hope is to get a stable 5GHz OC and hopefully see a boost to VR (less dips below 45FPS) or maybe even 2xMSAA with 1.5PD but I think that is a pipe dream!

 

In the future I will probably upgrade to a M.2 SSD for DCS and leave Windows on a SATA SSD. I will also upgrade to 32GB RAM.

 

Abburo our specs will be near identical so I would be interested in what settings you are running for VR.

Heve same here with gtx1070 (with quick m.2 ssd) and game still drops below 45 sometimes with pd 1.2... Waiting for devs move ;P

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Not much

I have a I7 4790k@5ghz bought from Silicon Lottery and I7 8700k@5.1 bought from Amazon both delidded and under water custom Loop and not much differnces

i7 4790k is a great cpu for gaming that being said I don't know AMD with their Ryzen

if you have a good overclockable i7 4790k with a good graphic card no need to upgrade

Just bought a 8700k today with the following:

 

8700k

ASRock Extreme4 Z370 MB

16GB 3200MHz DDR4 Corsair Vengeance RAM

Noctura NH-D15S Cooler

 

Should all arrive tomorrow.......

--snippage--

delid'ing is so simple these days with tools like RockitCool. About $40-$50 or so. It's cheap insurance since you're going to OC. Sure, even w/o it it's within tolerance, but 10 deg cooler gives you a little piece of mind. Takes less than 45min to delid, I think it's well worth it.

Yes, but it's a $500 chip. Some pilots are afraid of only overclock him.

Yes, but it's a $500 chip. Some pilots are afraid of only overclock him.

down to 329€ meanwhile.

They started with 449,-€, bastards. And I payed it...waahaaaaa.

Still, there are chances to break something, as always.

Just bought a 8700k today with the following:

 

Abburo our specs will be near identical so I would be interested in what settings you are running for VR.

Well, quite straight forward: just use default setting for VR the ED offer when pressing the button this type of settings.

Then I just learned that a MSAA = 2x is kind of required during VR, together with a Pixel Density set to 1.5. This setting is better then an PD of 1.8 without MSAA. 0

It runs a very consistent 45FPS with AWS ON... or 70-90 with AWS OFF. But for me AWS ON is a must to avoid the nausea.

Your TI for sure is better then my 1080GTX so you can try push a bit harder the quality.

Not much

I have a I7 4790k@5ghz bought from Silicon Lottery and I7 8700k@5.1 bought from Amazon both delidded and under water custom Loop and not much differnces

i7 4790k is a great cpu for gaming that being said I don't know AMD with their Ryzen

if you have a good overclockable i7 4790k with a good graphic card no need to upgrade

Thanks for the info... but not helpful for me personally as I do not overclock... looking to hear from people who went from stock 4790k to stock 8700k, and their results. :thumbup: