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ED Never Said SLi/CrossFire X would not be corrected.

 

Yeah, but that's the problem, isn't it... ED never say much. For months people asked for an indication of what would be done about that, and 2 years later, still nothing. Just yourself saying the mainstream had moved away from SLI so it was unlikely. Yet manufactures still make every piece of hardware capable of it and many mainstream games still support it.

 

Multi core CPU's have been around for 10 over years now, and the industry is clearly going one way.. more cores. Yet we are using a fantastic engine that is completely bound by either graphics processing or multi CPU processing. Ether of these would allow a far improved experience and finally give 4K and proper run enabling full 60 FPS. But alas we miss out on this too.

 

DCS is not mainstream, it's far from it. It is quite literally one of the most complex and brilliant looking simulations I've ever experienced. I love it. But ED doesn't make it easy to love. Most of ED's customers are literally niche users at or striving for the top end of the spectrum, right where the latest mutli-core processors and SLI tech is aimed at. We buy the top controllers, pedals and VR head sets and own top end systems to run it all. You yourself have overclocked significantly to get performance.

 

It really is time for ED for get with the program and support these features, new modules and maps will only carry the business so far. Proper support for something like threadripper and just 2 way SLI should see 100 fps capability on three 4K monitors..... the engine is capable of it if they would just tap into all the horsepower the systems have today and will have in the future.


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They are still working on the New Graphics Engine in 2.1

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Yeah, but that's the problem, isn't it... ED never say much.[...]

 

The way I feel it too and this is being problematic as others sim developers are far more reactive to embrace these technologies.

 

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They are still working on the New Graphics Engine in 2.1

 

Yeah we know they are still working on it. This is all we ever hear is 'We are working on it'.

 

Just maybe they should refocus and stop fixing how icons look on the hud and get the these two features working.

 

I can't imagine how unbelievable DCS would look on triple 4K screens with our PC's screaming their head off praying for relief.

 

I'd drop $5K right now on a threadripper build with twin 1080Ti's if DCS would work with it. I'm at 4.5 years with my current rig and every 5 i go big an upgrade as high as I can.

 

All we need is an indication of where its going to go instead of us playing guessing games. I dropped a 1000 bucks on a second Titan for my current rig for DCS 2.0, but that was clearly a bad move.

 

I'll probably get threadripper anyway, but it would be nice to know its definitely going to be worth it for DCS.

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Sidestrafe : […]Is there currently multi-core support, is it a 64 bit client, is it the future ?

 

Wag : We actually have 64 bit for what ? Three years now ? And in terms of multi-core, right now it's using two cores but we certainly … actually ... Well, as I can say about that now, things will change.

 

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33-DFTC, yep have watched that.

 

But it's a classic non-committal response. What are we supposed to do in the mean time with generations of tech coming and going between when ED hints that something might happen and when it actually does happen.

 

I'm being patient.... but boy, its not easy.

 

Would it kill ED to put out a timeline? Even if its something like within the next 2 years X will be available. Within the next 5 years blah will be available. Yeah I know 'everything is subject to change', but at least we'd have an educated guess rather than just taking a stab in the dark.


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If you want save money buy a ryzen, with the right mobo and the right ram.

if you choose the wrong ram you are gonna regret that alot, pm me if you need a hint.

If you have the right hardware OC on ryzen is trivial...

 

For save money i mean from here to next four years.

 

If you want right now max performance in dcs buy intel (and if you like overclock take a 6th generation becouse the i7700k its like 90° hot and you need to spend alot of money hoping to cool it down...)

 

I own a 1070 founder ed: no matter if i try i7700k or ryzen, the fps are not changing when i overlock that videocard. (and for oc i mean going from 2700 to 3200 score in heaven benchmark with +600 on ram and + 200on core +100% voltage and 100%fans... :megalol: )

(ofc with vsync off! and 4K)

 

This leads to the fact that the bottleneck it's always the cpu(in my case at least).

Btw i play usually with vsync on and with both rig i was stable at 60fps, just mirrors and civil traffic are killers... :joystick:

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Threadripper 1900X should beat the Ryzen 7 chips. Same number of cores and just a small price increment over the Ryzen 7, but TR will have better XFR boost. It would also benefit with the 64 lanes as opposed to the 20 of the Ryzen. Heat I can deal with as I already have water cooling rig that just needs the blocks changed to suit.

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i mean fast rams that are stable with ryzen, there is a page somewhere in the net that let you select the mobo and the ram compatible/goodOC for it, or the opposite. This of course if you want oc the ram to 3.2k.

If some guy made a page like that it means that few months ago the net was struggling around theses issues. (in fact i waited few months before buying a ryzen setup)

 

For instance i am sure that gskill flare (2 bank of 8GB each, not 4x4GB, its important becouse many guys had problems with 4 banks...) is working perfectenly with msi x370 gaming pro carbon with the july (31th? i dont remember) bios update. Just activate x-thing-ram profile in the bios and gg, ram stable at 3.2k. If you choose the wrong mobo/ram you are going to regret (if want OC that thing ofc). Anyway things are getting better couse bios now are a bit more mature... it's just personal taste and objectives.

 

Intel side its more straight forward atm since these cpu are mature, fast and hot as hell :)

Amd is a bit tweaky but looking to the future seems promising (i hope the am4 is going to last longer than actual other sockets...) boh! :smilewink:

 

I dont mind intel or amd brands, i look for other stuff :thumbup:

 

You could also wait for intel new cpu but i think you are going to spend more money on that newcoming platform and this is not responding your initial question. I am just trying to give the information i have so you can decide by your own without the inevitable brandbombing/fanboys stuff

 

(btw i have a 1700 not a 1600x)

Im am having better performance in 2.1 than 1.5 (i can use mirrors in nttr)

 

Hope this helped :thumbup:

 

P.S. threadripper is on another price range (like double money) and its just camed out :D


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If you want save money buy a ryzen, with the right mobo and the right ram.

if you choose the wrong ram you are gonna regret that alot, pm me if you need a hint.

If you have the right hardware OC on ryzen is trivial...

 

For save money i mean from here to next four years.

 

If you want right now max performance in dcs buy intel (and if you like overclock take a 6th generation becouse the i7700k its like 90° hot and you need to spend alot of money hoping to cool it down...)

 

My CPU only gets that hot running Prime, in DCS at 5GHz it sits around 60 to 70 and I only run a standard AIO with a decent Mobo.

 

This with the 1070 and G synced is hard to explain just how good it is, I think the ryzen would be just as good in this setup too. Maybe next build:)

 

 

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My CPU only gets that hot running Prime, in DCS at 5GHz it sits around 60 to 70 and I only run a standard AIO with a decent Mobo.

 

This with the 1070 and G synced is hard to explain just how good it is, I think the ryzen would be just as good in this setup too. Maybe next build:)

 

 

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Mate i have that chip too and with thermaltake 360mm its a beast, in fact i love it but sometimes temeperature and consumption are abnormal on stresstest.

 

Try to mine monero with that and tell me i it is not getting to 90° lol.

The guys around me in fact are not using that chip to do crazy stuff anymore.

 

I can assure you that no way any ryzen (even running at 4.2 for the silicon-lottery-jackpot) at the moment can surclass a i7 5Ghz... We tryed one month ago :megalol:

Btw our i7 it's not stable a 5Ghz :(

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Indeed. Im weighing up 1900X vs 1600X vs 8700K.

 

I only play DCS/Star citizen.

 

Unless your using multiple GFX and M.2's, you wont see any performance advantage from 1900X and it is expensive.

 

Either go R7 or 8700K for gaming.

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Well, we all know DCS is a clockspeed and IPC gold digger. Given that a 1600x that can reliably hit 4ghz or a 1900x that can XFR to 4.2ghz might be a better proposition than an R7 that only reaches 3.8.

 

The sensible choice is the R5 since its cheaper, and for gaming youre never gonna saturate 6 cores and 12 threads. When Zen2 is out at 4.5-5ghz you can just drop that in then. We've yet to see what the 8700k can deliver but all indications are its a 7700k with 2 cores bolted on, at a slower clock. No IPC advantage.

 

I just like the name Threadripper:)


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Some reviews showed that stock clocked Ryzens clock higher than the same CPU overclocked to 4 GHz-All-Cores in IPC tasks. The reason I guess is that while overclocking all cores to 4GHz one voids the XFR trigger. They never boosted to 4.2G. With stock settings those CPUs did actually make use of XFR.

 

For me, that reads like this: For IPC-Games, dont overclock but rely on XFR and a good cooler.

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^Reviewers Disabled XFR to Overclock.

 

Kinda counter-productive for single threaded games I am sure.

 

Kyle from HardOCP has some nice graphs showing how the stck 1950X surpassed the 4G-oc'ed 1950X in single minded things.

 

Seems logic too, more TDP headroom.

 

edit* afair Kyle did not mention that he disabled XFR, maybe he did, maybe not, need to ask him.


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Manual Adjustment of Voltages also disables XFR.

 

AFAIK, the "Gaming Mode" that Currently in the X399 Mainboards should be coming to the X370 and Likely B350 BIOS'


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Well, we all know DCS is a clockspeed and IPC gold digger. Given that a 1600x that can reliably hit 4ghz or a 1900x that can XFR to 4.2ghz might be a better proposition than an R7 that only reaches 3.8.

 

The sensible choice is the R5 since its cheaper, and for gaming youre never gonna saturate 6 cores and 12 threads. When Zen2 is out at 4.5-5ghz you can just drop that in then. We've yet to see what the 8700k can deliver but all indications are its a 7700k with 2 cores bolted on, at a slower clock. No IPC advantage.

 

I just like the name Threadripper:)

 

 

oooph only 3.8??? I got a bad chip and it clocks to 3.9 with memory at 3333 (can do 3466 but the timings are not good with current BIOSes yet). On cinebench Im getting 160 single core and 1720 multicore.

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People are Getting ThreadRippers and Ryzen 7's to 5 GHz on Water Cooling w/ Chillers.

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That damn chiller is 969,-€ !!!

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not really usable 24/7 for most of us. :D

 

It doesnt matter, one year down the road we will get a direct CPU replacement if your not happy with single core scores. They will be ambitious with the IPC and if we are this close to intel now in gaming, we will pretty much matching those but with 2 more cores under the hood.

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