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Old 01-11-2019, 03:04 PM   #191
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Thanks for the review.
I really hoped the software would be in a better shape by now.

I sent them a mail two or three months ago asking info about the gloves and interaction with dcs and they said they were quite close to a working solution but not yet at that time.
Well it looks like “not yet even at this time”

@FMG JoJo will you let them know about your findings and problems?
It might be helpful for them to have some feedback
I believe they are trying really hard but this thing is not easy...
Yeah I'll definetly send them my problems. I think the main problem is that it is only usable with bluetooth. If we would have a USB-connection it would be much smoother without any stuttering, or maybe the captosensor solves the stuttering, but I don't really know I'm not an expert. And also they should make a more detailed description for setting everything up and always put the newest software updates on their download page. What problems did you encounter?
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Old 01-11-2019, 04:07 PM   #192
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Yeah I'll definetly send them my problems. I think the main problem is that it is only usable with bluetooth. If we would have a USB-connection it would be much smoother without any stuttering, or maybe the captosensor solves the stuttering, but I don't really know I'm not an expert. And also they should make a more detailed description for setting everything up and always put the newest software updates on their download page. What problems did you encounter?

I don't have the gloves yet.
When I sent them the mail it was to ask if they were working with Dcs or not and they said they where close to a working solution.
I was considering buying them but I decided to wait until sure that they were actually working
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Old 01-11-2019, 07:46 PM   #193
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So I have the CaptoGlove since Tuesday now and I just wanna give it a little review here:

So first of all the quality overall of the glove is good, comfy to wear in my opinion, but smells a little bit after unboxing it.
Then there's the software. God I never had such a bad experience with any software... I mean even the X-55 Saitek software is better than this. First of all there's a little note in the box which will go through all the steps of pairing the glove with your PC. Worked all fine, until the moment came i had to assign the axes and calibrate the finger bendings/pressures. I tried all my best but the bendings didn't want to calibrate at all. It took me 2 hours to realize that i had downloaded the first version of the CaptoGlove-Software and this was the only Software download link on the download section on their website. You can find the updates for the firmware and software in forum sections of the community... They don't even have the updates linked on their download section page.
After successfully upgrading the Firmware and Software, I finally was able to calibrate the fingers and assign the keys. I was able to controll my desktop with the glove very good, but unfortunately with stuttering of the mouse.
So the next day I wanted to try it with DCS, but unfortunately the glove had problems with connecting to my bluetooth. So I searched the forums and found one solution which didn't help at all. After again 2 hours of struggling with it I finally fixed it (I don't know how I fixed it), started the software and loaded the profile I saved the day before. Then I had to assign the axes again because they somehow didn't save and yes, this is a problem that happens everytime to me when I try to load a profile. After successfully assigning the axes I realized that my x axis moved slightly to the right or left everytime I don't move my hand. This can happen randomly, sometimes it will do nothing, sometimes it will move slightly.
Then I finally wanted to try DCS.
I first tried it without VR: Switching the buttons is very cool if you have a steady hand, because as mentioned the cursor struggles a bit. The Finger bendings and assignments all worked out very well so + point there.
Then I wanted to try it with VR: After starting DCS the glove disconnected and connected over and over again, I was not able to use it at all. The worst thing about that is when it loses connection and you close the software and turning off and back on the glove, the glove will work even though the software is closed, which is bad because when i open the software and try to pair it, it says that i cannot pair them which means i cannot turn off the profile, so this is an annoying bug. After playing around for 1 hour without even switching one switch I gave up and turned the glove off. (I haven't tried the "imaginary joystick" thing since I have a HOTAS system).

Well sorry that this post is a bit longer but I wanted to share every detail I issued with this product. So in my opinion it is overall a good idea, but I wouldn't recommend it for playing DCS, or any other games since the stuttering makes it hard to be precise. As mentioned the software is only something for people who can be patient, it's really annoying to set it all up. Maybe it will be better with future updates, or maybe there will be a better product, but for now I'm only using this as a wireless mouse for chilling on the sofa and clicking through youtube videos and listening to music.
I really appreciate this review. I'm going to wait on Captoglove until the folks there make the necessary enhancements to make it realistic for DCS. I'd like to see :

1. Haptic feeling. Actually feel the switch flip after flipping or pushing it in or out.
2. Be able to turn knobs by pinching the knob between thumb and index finger ( as in real life ).
3. VR hands to appear with fingertip cutouts.
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:31 PM   #194
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It took me 2 hours to realize that i had downloaded the first version of the CaptoGlove-Software and this was the only Software download link on the download section on their website. You can find the updates for the firmware and software in forum sections of the community... They don't even have the updates linked on their download section page.
That is something I found very irritating already a couple of month ago! On the forum they said to me, they will update the download link "soon". Again, that was about half a year ago. I don't understand why they still have the old version online, which most new users will use first until they realize they need to go to the forum and ask for a version that actually works.

They are very helpful on the forum, that must also be said. I did get very prompt replies to all my questions.
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Old 01-12-2019, 09:34 AM   #195
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They are very helpful on the forum, that must also be said. I did get very prompt replies to all my questions.
Yeah that's true they always reply to questions of the community.
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Old 01-13-2019, 01:18 PM   #196
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Ok guys I have contacted CaptoGlove and here's what I got from them:

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1.: In my opinion it's not good enough explained how to set up the bindings and calibrate the bendings. The little note in the case of course is helpful to getting started but you should go much more in detail. For an example: "Make sure you download the latest version of the software and firmware", which brings us to my next point.

A: Do you refer to the manual or some other resource?


2.: You should put up more download links for the software and firmware updates in the download section. Most of the PC-users are used to always download the latest versions of softwares/games/..., and playing around with the first version of the software was a real nightmare for myself. I had many issues to calibrate the bendings, but the newest software and firmware fixed it all.

A: Thanks. We wanted to make an official release of a better version of the firmware we are developing, but we will consider publishing the one we already have.


3.: I don't know if it's possible but maybe integrate a cable use for the glove. I know that it is very cool to use wirelessly, but with a cable connection, I think you would fix many problems, like stuttering (which I encountered always using the glove) and also delay, a wireless mouse always has a bit of delay, that's why pro-gamers in E-sports always use cable mouses. BUT I'm also not an expert in such level of technology I just imagine that it could be a better experience and bring a better precise movement to the glove.

A: That's something we have thought about and are evaluating.

4.: I sometimes had the issue that my x-axis (horizontal axis) is moving slightly to the left or right when I didn't move my hand. I don't know what's causing this problem.

A: When you experience such an issue, please put your CaptoGlove on your table (wear it off) and click on the "tare" button. It will calibrate it and adjust the sensor values.


5.: Randomly disconnecting from the computer and re-pairing it again with bluetooth is very hard to fix. Happend to me one time and I don't know how i fixed this problem. I also saw a tutorial on how to fix it on the forums, but that didn't help me out. (Another reason why cable-connection could be better).

A: Thanks we will look into it

6.: Everytime I'm loading a profile I have to assign the axis again, but if i just upoad the setup I used the last time using the glove (the green box in the software) it worked just fine.

A: Once you have configured your CaptoGlove the configuration is saved on it and you don't need to load it again.


7.: The one time I wanted to test it in DCS World it always disconnected and connected again from the GSuite software, so I wasn't able to try it out. In non-VR however it worked fine for me, I was able to switch all the switches like using a real mouse, with the mouse cross, I didn't saw any moving hands like in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWRAZqDDSAc , but I think that this is only possible in VR, isn't it?

A: Yes exactly, that is something we are developing with ED and is available for DCS beta testers to try

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Already answered to their mail, gonna update you guys as soon as they're responding to my mail
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Old 01-13-2019, 01:53 PM   #197
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I went through all the issues that FMG did above. It just doesn't work with the software on their website, but did basics with the new software and firmware they emailed me. Seems like Business 101 that you would then put those on your website. Its like there is no business person running this company, just engineers.

+1 on company responding to emails quickly, very impressed. -1 on the gloves functionality. It is useless in DCS VR now. I am keeping them since DCS seems to be working on making them work, we will see.

One thing on bluetooth, I found if I use my boards built in LE Bluetooth, it does poorly. I disabled that and put in a bluetooth USB that was not LE (low energy) and it worked much better. I have not been able to turn off the LE part of my boards builtin bluetooth, the power tab does not address it.
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