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Old 10-06-2018, 10:30 AM   #501
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Dumb bombs are fun. BR125/BR250, BR500, BRP-250 (retarded) BRPS-250, MK.20 Rockeye, BME-330, mk-81/-82/-83, M117...
AIM-N, AIM-9P3, AIM-9L and JULI and R530 & R530R (530 not in use since 1987 aprox) .

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Spain did receive Super 530F. I think it was with second hand ex-Qatar Mirage F1 EDA
It is correct. I do not remember if they use it.
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Old 10-06-2018, 11:01 AM   #502
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Dumb bombs are fun. BR125/BR250, BR500, BRP-250 (retarded) BRPS-250, MK.20 Rockeye, BME-330, mk-81/-82/-83, M117...
Having targeting pod + GBU/AS30L capability does not inhibit the aircraft to carry dumb boms.
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Old 10-06-2018, 04:47 PM   #503
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Spain did receive Super 530F. I think it was with second hand ex-Qatar Mirage F1 EDA

right, but Aviodev said it wouldn't model the Qatari ones, only the 100% Spanish one ( CE, E/E, M ) and those can't fire Super-530F

in the picture they released….. a long time ago, there was a R-530, no super-530F, we can only hope they still decide to model and include the Super-530F in their F1 load out


the CE can still fit as a late 70s era - insert country name - F1C, but the E/E is a clear downgrade compared to most F1E, and the F-1M is an AG/anti ship oriented upgrade

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Dumb bombs are fun. BR125/BR250, BR500, BRP-250 (retarded) BRPS-250, MK.20 Rockeye, BME-330, mk-81/-82/-83, M117...
AIM-N, AIM-9P3, AIM-9L and JULI and R530 & R530R (530 not in use since 1987 aprox) .
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not only the F1EQ5/6 can carry intelligent weapons, but they also get a much more modern HUD, it must increases dumb bomb accuracy quite a lot


and if the R-530 was retired, it was beacuse it was very poor for that time…. the French Mirage 3C ( early 60s ) were meant to fire it at 5km from the target, with a relative Velocity >3.2 Mach, that would approximately be a 7 sec flight time…

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Old 10-07-2018, 12:46 AM   #504
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I can’t understand why Spain didn’t get the Super 530F upgrade (night and day compared to R530) ?
But if Aviodev decided to do only Spanish variant, I can’t challenge the decision to stick to Spanish weapon load.

Mirage F1 is an interesting bird for sure. I can only hope they would expand the Mirage F1 family later. I don’t know if I would purchase it without a Super 530F capable variant ?
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Old 10-07-2018, 02:40 AM   #505
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So im guessing there hasn't been recent news regarding the Mirage F1, aviodevs still busy finishing off the C101?
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Old 10-07-2018, 06:36 AM   #506
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The two first mirage F1 rebuild by the ATAC,technical team, rest 59 todo.
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CEO ATAC say again, it want AESA radar for the Mirage F1 for playing agressor rules,

https://twitter.com/TAGC17/status/1009554484270452736


https://twitter.com/atactextron/

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Old 10-07-2018, 07:30 AM   #507
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not only the F1EQ5/6 can carry intelligent weapons, but they also get a much more modern HUD, it must increases dumb bomb accuracy quite a lot


and if the R-530 was retired, it was beacuse it was very poor for that time…. the French Mirage 3C ( early 60s ) were meant to fire it at 5km from the target, with a relative Velocity >3.2 Mach, that would approximately be a 7 sec flight time…
That's what I mean, the more weapons available the better.
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Old 10-13-2018, 05:29 PM   #508
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Old 10-13-2018, 08:14 PM   #509
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What are the differences between the F1C and the EE?
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Old 10-13-2018, 09:02 PM   #510
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page 9 ( june 2016 )

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Regarding the version to be developed, we are studying the different options we have, based in terms of info available for us. In Spanish Air Force, 3 different versions were in service before they went to the big upgrade for the F1 fleet to the M version, were the rest of the fleet remaining in service was normalized to the M.

Before Mirage F1M we had:

Mirage F1CE: C version, coming up to 3 different tranches, in each tranche, the F1 was receiving different upgrades. Also in each tranche, instruments could be found moved to different places, making the job for pilots a little bit more difficult.

Mirage F1EE: E version, came straight from the tranche 3. EE had INS system (same as INS installed on Super Etendard), Chaff and flares system integrated, ECM capabilities, refueling probe, among another small upgrades.

Tranche 3 of CE also came with ECM capabilities throgh the Barax pod, chaff and flares inegrated ALE-40.

Both CE and EE, later on received new modern RWR ALR-300, replacing the old original BF.

Mirage F1EDA: E version ex-Qatar F1's, with cockpit distribution similar to Iraq F1EQ, having INS system, but not the same as EE, Super Matra 530 capabilities, no tacan, no chaff/flares integrated, no ECM capabilities (Not being possible to use pods available in Spanish Air Force), new HUD VE-120, among other differences.


Right now, this versions are the options we have on the table to evaluate which one should be more interesting, and EE is a real candidate, we love the way the cockpit is designed, and the functionality. We believe it could be a very interesting aircraft to develop and to fly it as well.

CR/CT, and EQ, could be also interesting options, but lot of information is required to develop an aircraft, and our info in those versions is very limited. If we were lucky we could get the flight manual, but that is not enough. We need lot of documentation, photos, videos, contact with former pilots, maintenance pople, simulator access. As much as we can get of this, the better will be the final result, and for us, it will be more easy to get on spanish versions, basically there is no other reason. CT, CZ, AZ, CR, EQ, EH would be interesting, but not more than a proper CE/EE/EDA, with the proper info to do a nice job. And take in count at the end is a french aircraft, even 90% of the cockpit was remain in french labels during the service, and manual were never translated into spanish, forcing pilots and maitenance people, to study the original language to be able to learn the aircraft.

All this post, could be applied to the C-101 project, and why was choosen.
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