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Old 01-24-2020, 05:53 PM   #11
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For flight, the heave axis is incredibly important. The egg-shaped bucket thing could be ok for racing, but an ideal setup for flight is 3-DOF motion (Pitch/Roll/Heave), e.g. the SFX-100, with integrated g-seats built in.


Once we have a commercial contract signed, Chris (Bergison) and I are planning to also provide a set of DIY plans for home-build enthusiasts to either build the Motion Integrated G-Seat from scratch, or to integrate G-seat functionality into their existing motion platforms.
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Old 01-24-2020, 07:01 PM   #12
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Or spend $1500 for a pre-built version of whatever that egg shaped one is that mrtv showed off at ces2020 a couple weeks back. Still beyond my budget but beats having to build it from the ground up

Yeah, that egg wouldn't cut it for me. My Winwing HOTAS or Simcube would never mount up to that. It looks flimsy. My SFX could throw a 500lb man across the room.

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Old 01-24-2020, 07:20 PM   #13
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For flight, the heave axis is incredibly important. The egg-shaped bucket thing could be ok for racing, but an ideal setup for flight is 3-DOF motion (Pitch/Roll/Heave), e.g. the SFX-100, with integrated g-seats built in.


Once we have a commercial contract signed, Chris (Bergison) and I are planning to also provide a set of DIY plans for home-build enthusiasts to either build the Motion Integrated G-Seat from scratch, or to integrate G-seat functionality into their existing motion platforms.
I'll be jumping on the diy one when it's ready. Good luck with it, looks absolutely great and I'm surprised how reasonable in price it is.

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Old 01-24-2020, 08:54 PM   #14
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I'm using it for almost a year now. Although originally built for Sim Racing, DCS is SO much fun in that thing.
Sure, motion is limited. But I can't live without out it anymore. Together with VR the brain is so successfully fooled by the motion, it's wonderful.

Flying a helicopter, you can feel when a sling load leaves or touches the ground. Or when it swings while flying.
On planes you feel when the wheels touch the ground - or leave it. Approaching stall and all movements are amazing. If you use the right settings you can set up the rig for feeling speed and all that stuff.

btw, I've made most of the available DCS SFX-100 profiles.
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Old 01-25-2020, 01:13 AM   #15
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I'm using it for almost a year now. Although originally built for Sim Racing, DCS is SO much fun in that thing.
Sure, motion is limited. But I can't live without out it anymore. Together with VR the brain is so successfully fooled by the motion, it's wonderful.

Flying a helicopter, you can feel when a sling load leaves or touches the ground. Or when it swings while flying.
On planes you feel when the wheels touch the ground - or leave it. Approaching stall and all movements are amazing. If you use the right settings you can set up the rig for feeling speed and all that stuff.

btw, I've made most of the available DCS SFX-100 profiles.



And those profiles are appreciated! I've download them, and will start exploring them this weekend!
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Old 01-25-2020, 05:19 AM   #16
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I can’t speak for others but I have two things I need to be able to overcome first.

1) complete my non motion setup to my likings.

2) room for a motion isn’t available in my current fifth wheel trailer that I reside in. Headroom as well as a footprint area. This one might work so that got me interested.

How many of you would like one and be willing to pay for one or has skill/abilities to help produce them?
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Old 01-25-2020, 09:28 AM   #17
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Hi,
if you search the forum for sfx-100 you can find lots of information around my wooden diy construction, which evolved over time. You will find my videos in these threads are now private, but I opened a youtube account a few minutes ago, where you can find some of these older videos now to get some impressions.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/UaXv1CR4kxA
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Rpg10ERJQXw
https://www.youtube.com/embed/y5zRt6iwBeY
https://www.youtube.com/embed/VOHAEUmVl_8

I had a lot of fun flying in the pure platform, but it was even more fun, when i drove the old g-seat on the platform by some cables indirectly (passive g-seat). So much fun that i spent additional 4 motors to drive the 4 flaps of the g-seat (active g-seat).

The 4 flaps are connected to a racing harness, so i can feel not only the positive g's but also the negative ones.

In my opinion for flying a gseat with a harness is the cheapest and most effective version.
You only need the 4 motors (1300 €), some wood (100€) and an old rally harness (40€)and no 3d printer. But it is all experimental and there is no step by step tutorial to do this.
Perhaps this will exist at some point in the future.

So the easiest way is to build the platform as wmacky did and use the profiles from DthFrmAbv and some others which can be used instantly. You can upgrade this by connecting a wooden g-seat on top by a few steel cables and 2 pulleys. (120 €)

I started this fascinating motion hobby by viewing one of bergisons great videos and I hope that he can give the community some more possibilities soon to get into motion with flight simulators. I am very thankfull for his inspiration.

If more people would get into the hobby there will be more love for motion in flightsims.

I wish you a good start with your system wmacky! Please keep us informed about your experiences!
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Old 01-25-2020, 11:34 AM   #18
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That's pretty impressive!

I'm pretty intrigued by all of this. I absolutely love the wooden look. We need a mosquito or hurricane in dcs to go with it!

So yours is different as you don't have legs coming up and down.

Where's the best place to start reading up on alternative designs?

Thanks for posting, I enjoyed the videos.

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Old 01-25-2020, 05:29 PM   #19
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Andrew, Thank you!
I think there is a small missunderstanding. My gseat is on top of the sfx 100 motion platform. So it has 4 legs too.

I would prefer my actual gseat over the platform for flying. But luckily i build the platform with AC Motors First and now i have both and for me they are very good together, better than the gseat or the platform alone.

As i know, there are some Designs for g-seats at xsimulator.com.
Another Design is in current development in the sfx 100 community and the current Prototype looks very promising.
Merlin51 and Bergison hopefully come out soon with their design and i expect it to be very good because bergison has long experience with gseats and is a real Pilot too.
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Old 01-25-2020, 05:31 PM   #20
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@ merlin51 ,
I am happy to hear, that you will offer a version for platforms as sfx 100 too!
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