EcosseFlyer Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Hi Just returning to DCS after a longish break. I can run 1.5.8 with no issues, but 2.5 is "borderline"...with current rig. I can run it at 50 or so fps but only really with limited units. Any decent mission grinds it to a halt sadly. Such is the price of progress as it does look amazing. So my questions are: 1. Is there any way of downloading 2.2 engine from somewhere? ie to be able to use the NTTR I bought when it first came out and ran for ages, rather than using the 2.5 engine? 1.5 was made a legacy download which is great as I can run that with everything up. I could run 2.2 the same way back in the day, so have been searching for a way to get it back but no luck so far....I'm not holding out much hope. 2. If that's not an option, can i still buy new modules(obviously ignoring ones specifically label as requiring 2.5 such as the Hornet) and use them in 1.5? There`s only a few I`ve got my eye on currently such as the F-5 and the Sabre but wanted to make sure they were still compatible with older engine? Wookie My Rig: AMD Ryzen 3600XT@4.4GHz+ || MSI B450 Tomahawk Max || MSI RTX 2060 Gaming Z || 32GB Corsair Vengance DDR4 RAM@3200 || 32" Monitor || Win 10 Home || TM Warthog HOTAS || Logitech ProFlight Pedals || TrackHat Clip || Rift S Modules: A-10C & A-10C II || KA-50 2 & 3 || FC3 || CA || UH-1H || AV-8B || L-39 || F-86F || F-5 II || Mi-8 || M-2000C || F/A-18 || SA-342 || Super Carrier || F-14A/B || AH-64D Maps: Caucasus || NTTR || Persian Gulf || Marianas || Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varis Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 2. If that's not an option, can i still buy new modules(obviously ignoring ones specifically label as requiring 2.5 such as the Hornet) and use them in 1.5? There`s only a few I`ve got my eye on currently such as the F-5 and the Sabre but wanted to make sure they were still compatible with older engine? I highly doubt it... unless they existed at the time of the release of the exact engine version. SA-342 Ka-50 Mi-8 AJS-37 F-18 M2000C AV-8B-N/A Mig-15bis CA --- How to learn DCS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svsmokey Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=114030 Should find what you need here And i would be interested to hear if you are successful at downloading modules to 1.58 . Don't see much point in ED offering the engine download if you can't get modules for it . Edited January 20, 2019 by Svsmokey 9700k @ stock , Aorus Pro Z390 wifi , 32gb 3200 mhz CL16 , 1tb EVO 970 , MSI RX 6800XT Gaming X TRIO , Seasonic Prime 850w Gold , Coolermaster H500m , Noctua NH-D15S , CH Pro throttle and T50CM2/WarBrD base on Foxxmounts , CH pedals , Reverb G2v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 If you can bear the visuals you can turn the resolution down a lot. Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I highly doubt it... unless they existed at the time of the release of the exact engine version. That's wrong. You can switch to ANY previous version using the DCS updater. The link that Svsmokey provided explains how it can be done. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcosseFlyer Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 I tried using the updater application that's shown in that post, and tried rolling back to the last version of 2.2 but it said that it wasn't found. Either I'm using it incorrectly, or it's simply not available. However I'll try they more manual method to see if that works. Failing that I'll reduce settings or simply run smaller missions (I can only do SP anyway, no MP for me) Wookie My Rig: AMD Ryzen 3600XT@4.4GHz+ || MSI B450 Tomahawk Max || MSI RTX 2060 Gaming Z || 32GB Corsair Vengance DDR4 RAM@3200 || 32" Monitor || Win 10 Home || TM Warthog HOTAS || Logitech ProFlight Pedals || TrackHat Clip || Rift S Modules: A-10C & A-10C II || KA-50 2 & 3 || FC3 || CA || UH-1H || AV-8B || L-39 || F-86F || F-5 II || Mi-8 || M-2000C || F/A-18 || SA-342 || Super Carrier || F-14A/B || AH-64D Maps: Caucasus || NTTR || Persian Gulf || Marianas || Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I tried using the updater application that's shown in that post, and tried rolling back to the last version of 2.2 but it said that it wasn't found. Either I'm using it incorrectly, or it's simply not available. However I'll try they more manual method to see if that works. Failing that I'll reduce settings or simply run smaller missions (I can only do SP anyway, no MP for me) Hmm, that's bad news. They might have taken that version off their server then :( Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted January 22, 2019 ED Team Share Posted January 22, 2019 I tried using the updater application that's shown in that post, and tried rolling back to the last version of 2.2 but it said that it wasn't found. Either I'm using it incorrectly, or it's simply not available. However I'll try they more manual method to see if that works. Failing that I'll reduce settings or simply run smaller missions (I can only do SP anyway, no MP for me) Are you using the full version number? The Current 2.0 Alpha Legacy Build Version is: 2.2.0.12843 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcosseFlyer Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 Are you using the full version number? The Current 2.0 Alpha Legacy Build Version is: 2.2.0.12843 Yes the last release of the 2.2 but again I may have done it incorrectly. I'll try the manual command prompt method and see if that works. Wookie My Rig: AMD Ryzen 3600XT@4.4GHz+ || MSI B450 Tomahawk Max || MSI RTX 2060 Gaming Z || 32GB Corsair Vengance DDR4 RAM@3200 || 32" Monitor || Win 10 Home || TM Warthog HOTAS || Logitech ProFlight Pedals || TrackHat Clip || Rift S Modules: A-10C & A-10C II || KA-50 2 & 3 || FC3 || CA || UH-1H || AV-8B || L-39 || F-86F || F-5 II || Mi-8 || M-2000C || F/A-18 || SA-342 || Super Carrier || F-14A/B || AH-64D Maps: Caucasus || NTTR || Persian Gulf || Marianas || Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcosseFlyer Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 Followed the method using CMD prompt but still saying "Version 2.2.0.12843 is not available" so it looks like I`m out of luck with rolling back. Strange, as that's the last "old" engine build, you`d think it was available somewhere to roll back to. Wookie My Rig: AMD Ryzen 3600XT@4.4GHz+ || MSI B450 Tomahawk Max || MSI RTX 2060 Gaming Z || 32GB Corsair Vengance DDR4 RAM@3200 || 32" Monitor || Win 10 Home || TM Warthog HOTAS || Logitech ProFlight Pedals || TrackHat Clip || Rift S Modules: A-10C & A-10C II || KA-50 2 & 3 || FC3 || CA || UH-1H || AV-8B || L-39 || F-86F || F-5 II || Mi-8 || M-2000C || F/A-18 || SA-342 || Super Carrier || F-14A/B || AH-64D Maps: Caucasus || NTTR || Persian Gulf || Marianas || Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aluminum Donkey Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 DCS 2.5 will run well on a wide variety of rigs. Posting your system specs in your sig makes it much, much easier for us to sort things like this out. You probably don't have to go back to 1.5 unless you have a really archaic system, in which case you're done for even with 1.5 :) AD Kit: B550 Aorus Elite AX V2, Ryzen 7 5800X w/ Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, 2 x 16GB Kingston Fury DDR4 @3600MHz C16, Gigabyte RTX 3070 Windforce 8GB, EVGA SuperNova 750 G2 PSU, HP Omen 32" 2560x1440, Thrustmaster Cougar HOTAS fitted with Leo Bodnar's BU0836A controller. --Flying is the art of throwing yourself at the ground, and having all the rules and regulations get in the way! If man was meant to fly, he would have been born with a lot more money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcosseFlyer Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 DCS 2.5 will run well on a wide variety of rigs. Posting your system specs in your sig makes it much, much easier for us to sort things like this out. You probably don't have to go back to 1.5 unless you have a really archaic system, in which case you're done for even with 1.5 :) AD I can actually run 2.5, both in Caucasus and Nevada but I have to realistically turn settings down (especially the AA) to get it to run with a decent FPS ~60 most times, but dips to 35-40 during larger engagements, and it looking worse and ugly shimmering seems a step back. Granted, EDGE looks a million miles better than old engine, but i can run 1.5 with over 100 FPS with dozens of units at a time - on 2.5 same type of mission, it is stuttering and looking borderline crap...hence why i wanted to roll it back to at least use the NTTR again. At least until a PC upgrade can be sorted ( My rig is at end of life i think ;) ) Wookie My Rig: AMD Ryzen 3600XT@4.4GHz+ || MSI B450 Tomahawk Max || MSI RTX 2060 Gaming Z || 32GB Corsair Vengance DDR4 RAM@3200 || 32" Monitor || Win 10 Home || TM Warthog HOTAS || Logitech ProFlight Pedals || TrackHat Clip || Rift S Modules: A-10C & A-10C II || KA-50 2 & 3 || FC3 || CA || UH-1H || AV-8B || L-39 || F-86F || F-5 II || Mi-8 || M-2000C || F/A-18 || SA-342 || Super Carrier || F-14A/B || AH-64D Maps: Caucasus || NTTR || Persian Gulf || Marianas || Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano87 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Your big issue is your gfx card, a 970 is going to struggle with 2.5 for sure. Maybe look for a used 1070 or 1080 on eBay. Could be a relatively cheap upgrade, after that I’d find 32GB of RAM and that should also give you a big performance improvement as well. Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconus Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 At least until a PC upgrade can be sorted ( My rig is at end of life i think ;) ) Well, it doesn't look bad at all to me, you just forgot to tell if you use VR and/or what resolution your screen is. We all used to run version 1.5 with High settings and MSAA but unless you have a top-shelf PC, you must bow to the 2.5 with Low settings and go from there. Remember when upgrading that DCS will eat any rig you put against it. I currently enjoy the game with G4560/16GB/GTX660/SSD/1650x1050/TiR. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX3060 Rift S T16000M TWCS TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcosseFlyer Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 Well, it doesn't look bad at all to me, you just forgot to tell if you use VR and/or what resolution your screen is. We all used to run version 1.5 with High settings and MSAA but unless you have a top-shelf PC, you must bow to the 2.5 with Low settings and go from there. Remember when upgrading that DCS will eat any rig you put against it. I currently enjoy the game with G4560/16GB/GTX660/SSD/1650x1050/TiR. No VR, don't think my 970 would handle that, but running at 1920 res with head tracking. Think I've manged now to find sweet spot in settings to allow me to run it at decent fps. Just wish there was something to do about the jaggies /shimmering on shadows and terrain and the occasional stuttering, but just have to deal with it at the moment. Always got 1.5 to fall back on if it annoys me too much. Was quite funny though as it maxed out my 8GB of RAM so when I doubled it, it basically said I'll have that too and now it's running at around 12GB usage.... :smilewink: Wookie My Rig: AMD Ryzen 3600XT@4.4GHz+ || MSI B450 Tomahawk Max || MSI RTX 2060 Gaming Z || 32GB Corsair Vengance DDR4 RAM@3200 || 32" Monitor || Win 10 Home || TM Warthog HOTAS || Logitech ProFlight Pedals || TrackHat Clip || Rift S Modules: A-10C & A-10C II || KA-50 2 & 3 || FC3 || CA || UH-1H || AV-8B || L-39 || F-86F || F-5 II || Mi-8 || M-2000C || F/A-18 || SA-342 || Super Carrier || F-14A/B || AH-64D Maps: Caucasus || NTTR || Persian Gulf || Marianas || Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconus Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Nah, there's no coming back to 1.5. So much has changed, never look back. Try shadows high... or flat... or none at all. I used to have 8GB few months before - anything more than solo flight was painful. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX3060 Rift S T16000M TWCS TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I can actually run 2.5, both in Caucasus and Nevada but I have to realistically turn settings down (especially the AA) to get it to run with a decent FPS ~60 most times, but dips to 35-40 during larger engagements, and it looking worse and ugly shimmering seems a step back. 60 FPS? :shocking: I play DCS with average FPS between 25 and 40 (depending on terrain and the mission) and I'm totally fine with that (all settings on ultra though). Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcosseFlyer Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 60 FPS? :shocking: I play DCS with average FPS between 25 and 40 (depending on terrain and the mission) and I'm totally fine with that (all settings on ultra though). Yeh I'm definitely not running it on Ultra :) Only x2 with FXAA through Nvidia inspector. Shadows low, trees at 70%. So it doesn't look that good but I prefer running at consistent 55-60 as it seems to help with head tracking smoothness. Again I'd love to run with all the bells and whistles on as EDGE does look fantastic but I'm realistic in my expectations... Including zero multiplayer enjoyment sadly. Wookie My Rig: AMD Ryzen 3600XT@4.4GHz+ || MSI B450 Tomahawk Max || MSI RTX 2060 Gaming Z || 32GB Corsair Vengance DDR4 RAM@3200 || 32" Monitor || Win 10 Home || TM Warthog HOTAS || Logitech ProFlight Pedals || TrackHat Clip || Rift S Modules: A-10C & A-10C II || KA-50 2 & 3 || FC3 || CA || UH-1H || AV-8B || L-39 || F-86F || F-5 II || Mi-8 || M-2000C || F/A-18 || SA-342 || Super Carrier || F-14A/B || AH-64D Maps: Caucasus || NTTR || Persian Gulf || Marianas || Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Yeh I'm definitely not running it on Ultra :) Only x2 with FXAA through Nvidia inspector. Shadows low, trees at 70%. So it doesn't look that good but I prefer running at consistent 55-60 as it seems to help with head tracking smoothness. Again I'd love to run with all the bells and whistles on as EDGE does look fantastic but I'm realistic in my expectations... Including zero multiplayer enjoyment sadly. Well, if I were you with your hardware I would see a lot of potential for increasing the graphics settings without changing the hardware, as 60 fps is twice as much as I would need to happy. But tastes are different and if you prefer having more FPS instead of better graphics, then that is as it is :) Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcosseFlyer Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) Well, if I were you with your hardware I would see a lot of potential for increasing the graphics settings without changing the hardware, as 60 fps is twice as much as I would need to happy. But tastes are different and if you prefer having more FPS instead of better graphics, then that is as it is :) I did crank everything up for a laugh... It looked stunning... My 970 and CPU temps weren't so stunning :smilewink:toasty warm.... Sounded like a vacuum cleaner... Edited January 29, 2019 by EcosseFlyer Wookie My Rig: AMD Ryzen 3600XT@4.4GHz+ || MSI B450 Tomahawk Max || MSI RTX 2060 Gaming Z || 32GB Corsair Vengance DDR4 RAM@3200 || 32" Monitor || Win 10 Home || TM Warthog HOTAS || Logitech ProFlight Pedals || TrackHat Clip || Rift S Modules: A-10C & A-10C II || KA-50 2 & 3 || FC3 || CA || UH-1H || AV-8B || L-39 || F-86F || F-5 II || Mi-8 || M-2000C || F/A-18 || SA-342 || Super Carrier || F-14A/B || AH-64D Maps: Caucasus || NTTR || Persian Gulf || Marianas || Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconus Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I did crank everything up for a laugh... It looked stunning... My 970 and CPU temps weren't so stunning :smilewink:toasty warm.... Sounded like a vacuum cleaner... They're not supposed to be cold and unemployed. Actually their temps are allowed to be pretty high, make them work for you, they're there for a reason. Change the coolers if you can't manage the noise. Also the trees are easy - set them to 100% and forgedaboutit. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX3060 Rift S T16000M TWCS TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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