derelor Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 (edited) Hi all! I think there's a small texture error in the Bf 109 K-4 cockpit. See attached image from figure 72 (page 83) of the English flight manual. I think the "Auf" label on the cover should be named "Aus". "Ein" probably stands for "Eingefahren" (retracted) and "Aus" for "Ausgefahren" (extended). "Auf" (Up) does not make any sense to me here. What do you think? Does anyone have a real cockpit picture of that specific part? Thanks in advance for your help! Edited April 5, 2015 by derelor 1338 - beyond leet ED Forum rules EN|DE|RU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derelor Posted April 5, 2015 Author Share Posted April 5, 2015 (edited) Take a look at this. Looks like "Aus" is correct (green rectangle) - reported as ticket #30074. It seems there are more labels missing in the DCS cockpit (orange lines in the image), but I can't read them. Anyone? Edited April 5, 2015 by derelor 1338 - beyond leet ED Forum rules EN|DE|RU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derelor Posted April 5, 2015 Author Share Posted April 5, 2015 Here's what I came up with regarding the missing labels on the landing gear indicator. We need better references... 1338 - beyond leet ED Forum rules EN|DE|RU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.ZG15_FALKE Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 (edited) Auf seems indeed to be wrong. I didn't find a picture as reference but the original Flugzeughandbuch Werkschrift 2109 vom November 1944, Teil 2 Fahrwerk describes on page 2-11 Druckknopfschalter and Merkleuchten for Fahrwerk "Aus". Therefore I would say AuF is a Typo. Edited April 6, 2015 by I./ZG15_FALKE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9.JG27 DavidRed Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 yeah, AUF doesnt make much sense, except maybe it could be understood as "Offen" although that doesnt make much sense either....AUS is probably correct, and its texture bug/typo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB 605 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Here's what I came up with regarding the missing labels on the landing gear indicator. We need better references... Another pic from repro panel, should be authentic thought. CPU: Intel Core i7-2600k @3.40GHz | Motherboard: Asus P8P67-M | Memory: Kingston 8GB DDR3 | OS W10 | GPU: Sapphire R9 290x 8GBDDR5 | Monitor: Samsung Syncmaster 24" | Devices: Oculus Rift, MS FFB 2 joystick, Saitek X 52 Pro throttle, Saitek Pro pedals, Gametrix Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derelor Posted April 6, 2015 Author Share Posted April 6, 2015 (edited) Another pic from repro panel, should be authentic thought. Thank you! The top "Links" and "Rechts" labels did not make much sense. Can anyone read the codes? 18190 and 18191/2? What do they mean? Edited April 6, 2015 by derelor 1338 - beyond leet ED Forum rules EN|DE|RU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB 605 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Thank you! The top "Links" and "Rechts" labels did not make much sense. Can anyone read the codes? 18190 and 18191/2? What do they mean? Or 16190 and 16191...but yeah, hard to say from those small pics. There is another pics there: http://www.arsenal-45.de/shop/product_info.php?info=p9_----instrumentpanel---messerschmitt-bf-109-k4----.html but unfortunately just as small. Of course you can buy whole instrument panel at 572,00 eur :) CPU: Intel Core i7-2600k @3.40GHz | Motherboard: Asus P8P67-M | Memory: Kingston 8GB DDR3 | OS W10 | GPU: Sapphire R9 290x 8GBDDR5 | Monitor: Samsung Syncmaster 24" | Devices: Oculus Rift, MS FFB 2 joystick, Saitek X 52 Pro throttle, Saitek Pro pedals, Gametrix Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uzamko Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Погодите. Тут же русский форум, почему всё по-английски? -------------------------- http://www.domkabinet.ru/Edenberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derelor Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 Thank you! The top "Links" and "Rechts" labels did not make much sense. Can anyone read the codes? 18190 and 18191/2? What do they mean? It looks like they say 1E190 and 1E191 (or 1E192 - I can't read it). They are the so-called "Stromkreiskennzeichen" (circuit identifier) for the red and green lights: 23 1 Merkleuchte rot für Fahrwerksanzeige Fl. 32529-1 Fl. 32526 1E191 24 2 Merkleuchte grün für Fahrwerksanzeige Fl. 32529-2 Fl. 32526 1E190, 1E192 (r, l) See http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/Flugzeuge/Jeager/Me109K/Cockpit/cockpit.htm#Fl (thanks EagleEye) 1338 - beyond leet ED Forum rules EN|DE|RU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodoss Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 First of all it should be written as "Aus"! Second: the electrical circuits are seperated by usage in german aircraft with a simple alphabetic code. The position within the circuit is given by a number. E = Elektrische Antriebe und Überwachung für Flug- und Triebwerk (electrical devices and control for airframe and engine) from "Bf 109 K-4 Handbook Teil 9B-1" Page 8 I hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzigy Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Some more info As mentioned above :) TM Warthog MFG TIR5 GT Omega Pro/ButKickerx1/WheelStandPro Playseat/ButKickerx2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derelor Posted April 18, 2015 Author Share Posted April 18, 2015 Thank you guys for your help so far. The "Auf" (-> "Aus") typo from post #1 is now fixed internally :) Now I'm not sure what to report about the missing landing gear position indicator labels (posts #2 and #3). I don't want to report something wrong. I'm fairly certain about the following labels: - Ein - Fahrwerk - Aus Links - Aus Rechts But I'm not sure about those two because of contradicting information: 1. Pic from post #6: Left: 1E190 Right: 1E192 2. Manual (Bf 109 K-4 Handbook Teil 9B-1 Page 8 ) excerpt from post #11: Left: 1E192 Right: 1E190 Bei vollständig ausgefahrendem Fahrwerk sprechen die Schauzeichen "Aus" 1E190 für rechtes Fahrgestell bzw. 1E192 für linkes Fahrgestell an. Bei vollständig eingefahrenem Fahrwerk spricht das Schauzeichen "Ein" 1E191 an ... 3. Pic from post #12: Left: 1E111 Right: 1E110 Does anyone know which labels are correct? 1338 - beyond leet ED Forum rules EN|DE|RU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tusler Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 being an american english speaker only, I would have never noticed this... Ask Jesus for Forgiveness before you takeoff :pilotfly:! PC=Win 10 HP 64 bit, Gigabyte Z390, Intel I5-9600k, 32 gig ram, Nvidia 2060 Super 8gig video. TM HOTAS WARTHOG with Saitek Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teapot Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 (edited) being an american english speaker only, I would have never noticed this... It would've gnawed away at the fabric of your sub-conscious ... trust me on this. You'd know that something wasn't all "A" OK but you just couldn't put your finger on it ... My aunt Ethel had that pheromone happening about her all the time. The scientific name for it is prescience ... which actually means before science ... and my aunt Ethel was defiant-ietly before ... science. :pilotfly: Edited April 19, 2015 by Teapot "A true 'sandbox flight sim' requires hi-fidelity flyable non-combat utility/support aircraft." Wishlist Terrains - Bigger maps Wishlist Modules - A variety of utility aircraft to better reflect the support role. E.g. Flying the Hornet ... big yawn ... flying a Caribou on a beer run to Singapore? Count me in. Extracting a Recon Patrol from a hastily prepared landing strip at a random 6 figure grid reference? Now yer talking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derelor Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 Missing labels for landing gear position indicator lamps reported (ticket #30329). Thanks for your help! 1338 - beyond leet ED Forum rules EN|DE|RU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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