Alia acta est

Got the shopping list together after reading, evaluating and discussing with kitchen command I got the following plan aka list:

Primary System:

i7-6700k

Asus Maximus VIII Formula watercooled

32GB DDR4-3400 Corsair ( 4 x 8GB )

If things turn really bad and it wont OC well I have another board then on order for a server that I need to build... could swop with the 6700k/Z170 if the shit hits the fan and 4.4 GHz is end of game:

i7-5820k

Asus X99-WS/IPMI ( not really a game board but should work too, like the IPMI feature, like iDrac ), no watercool block tho...lets hops the 12k Caps are as good as they say.

Both are overkill for the intended Server anyway, 4 or 6 core...lol it currently runs on a Q6600 and is happy with 8GB...I intend to clone the SRV2008R2 and be happy in 30mins :)

Putting 7 SSD's in it vs 15 HDD's before...like 150W less power that alone.

So I have the option to let both off the leash and OC the hell out of them ( 2nd AIO H100i on order as well, for my spare i7-920 )and then see which one runs better overall in single threaded apps.

I wanted an X99 in the end but found no Asus board with WC anymore, as I dont want to DIY and void warranty on a 500€ board I went the Z170 way where you still get WC boards off the shelf.

Will use the weekend to rethink.... prolly hit the button next week

Nice. Good luck with the build.

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My Google says: Alea jacta est :smartass:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alea_jacta_est

yeah...my latin is a bit rusty...it's alea, not alia for dice.. it's been 30 years. alea iacta est , that is correct and wont get you a F :).

TBH, maybe I will hold on and, DESPITE ALL MY PREVIOUS POSTS, have a look at ZEN :)

As I found out, this old spare rig i7-920/X58/16GB/980GTX/dual SSDs works fast enuff to play decent and I am not forced to buy to participate.

Also rumor says, Kaby will go 5.1 without big hassle, with same IPC this is still a fat landmark you cant just bypass.

But I wanna see what AMD has, been there before, if the chipset sounds solid I may do that.

Some forums debate on which and what can be upgraded once z270 and x299 is out.

Intel seems to chnage it's selling strategy and no one knows exactly how this will be presented to us, customers.

I really hope AMD has some punch !!!!!!! Even if you like Intel, they really need a rival that kicks their behind and puts some pressure on prices and drawers not opened.

I finally made the decision after a horrible night of stutter and hiccups on the interims i7-920 in DiRT Rally...the CPU struggled and temps went just too high..no more waiting.

I did not get the Asus Maximus Formula VIII as intended were I usually order but got me the MSI in sig instead, also watercooled. Actually I tailored the system around board, either Z170 or X99 that has watercooling, is AVAILABLE and reasonably priced. What I miss area few more USB ports, need to sort that out. I wished it had another full 4-block of USB 3.0 or 3.1gen1 for now "old" devices. I hope I dont run into USB hub issue as a result of that.

The CPU was no guesswork then, i7-6700k, let's hope it's a good overclocker and goes towards 4.6+ stable :)

RAM, well, after reading that many articles again about effective overall speed increase by faster RAM I decided to not dumb a large portion on extra fast RAM if the outcome is ZERO in 99% of all scenarios. Very very few scenarios still benefir from brutal memory bandwidth. The 99% were it doesnt matter anymore is were improved CPU instructions, improved Cache(s) and many other improvings over the last CPU generations that the old effect of actually directly boosting your DRAM based system by faster RAM is no more, its only on the paper in SiSIOFT and sometimes to a marginal extend visible in 7zip, WinRAR and WinZIP as programs everybody knows.

So I sorted DDR4 32GB kits by price, cheapest up and found a good one on the 1st page :)

32GB (2x 16384MB) Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4-3000 DIMM CL15-17-17-35 Dual Kit for a fair price, like HALF of that for 3400MHz and just 25€ more than the cheapest, crucial standards ( not bad either, dont get me wrong ! ).

the rest will be from the old system, 980GTX, 2 x SSD 850Pro 256GB, AXi-1200, watercool system

with heatkiller iv copper, mora3 ext. radiator etc..

Since it's a larger B2B order it'll be 1-2 weeks until I have the hands in hand, hopping in circles :)

I skipped beefing up the i7-920 with Corsair AIO-WC. I think I save the money and leave it the way it is. with the 680GTX and 6GB RAM it is fast enough for Dirt3 and most other older games I play in the living room on the TV meanwhile.

IT ARRIVED :joystick:

lean back, relax,***one...then unpack...no hurry :P

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Runs like a charm and the die is of the better kind, does 4.6 with just upping the multi and staying a good portion below 1.3 ( 1.28x somewhere ) and hottest core gets 60°C at hottest phase in prime95.

The RAMs for now refuse XMP 2.0. Got them by hand up to 2800MHz, may need to raise Volts etc.. need time to find the right settings, for now it's stable, if it booted it made it, no BSOD or such yet ( that WILL come hehe ).

The board DOES NOT FIT a Corsair Carbide 500r Tower !!!!!!!!!!!

The mobo risers top section are domes that interfere with the backplate of the mobo.

Had to refit the PC into my Chieftec BigTower,which I have to say, is no bad move. Sturdy steel compared to Corsair's plastic like steel, looks good but twists like a rubber band, that Chieftec is bulletproof I'd say :).

Cooling went fine, thanks to 4 Koolance Quick Connectors it's all separable with a simple click.

Downlaoding like 50GB DCS stable, beta and alpha... plus tons of Steam games and some Origin.

in about 120GB DL I will report back ;)

Yep, as expected, that stupid Killer Network BS causes BSOD's LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IRQ not less or equal bwcw10x64.sys....caused by Riva Networks Suite.

Deinstall that clicki-thingi and no more BSOD's.

Sad that is, as it allowed quite nicely to shape traffic, it just wont work properly over hours but and BSOD your rig ( google it ).

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Nice build, congrats and enjoy!

It's not that easy if possible at all to oc that new CPU that far that it achieves the same IPC in Passmark as my rig from 2011 with a 2600k !

Intel ???!!!!!!! WT$

almost 6 years later and not step ahead. They are good in marketing though, the shelf-box looks awesome btw. Irony OFF

Using latest prime95 small FTTs as a cornerstone it is almost impossible to achieve anything above 4300MHz SUSTAINED clock.

At 4500MHz with EIST and TurboBoost OFF ( it should always then stay at 4600, my Sandy did so at least ) it drops to 4300 as soon as you kick in prime but stays there all throughout the test. Temps are below 50°C mostly, peaking hottest core to 65°C. Which is ok.

Temps are actually not the problem, it's more that it will just FAIL the test with ceratin cores and usually ( not always ) not BSOD but just quit in prime for some cores. Which again is good, usually a Voltage thing, just which one..?! plenty to choose from.

With just Core Voltage to 1.350 it wont prime with RAM at 2800 ( they dont go any higher without making trouble so far ).

Raising VCC-SA to 1,200 and VCC-IO 1,150 Volts seems to help, as it'serrors come pretty fast and as I type it still does ok now for 30min, temps now 51-57°C

4.6 is doable but havent found a reproducable setting beyond 2133MHz RAM yet. Maybe the increased Volts from SA and IO will help here.

It does pass Passmark at settings where it pretty much instantly fails prime95, that much to pasmark for stability testing.

Still, I havent yet cracked the 2700 passmark IPC which my 2600k smoked at 2712points and 5GHz...a 2011 CPU..i7-2600k....and now this :(

Also, the MSI board is nice but the Asus tools for Overclocking are superior in how they are organized and work with the board. Not the MSI is inferior, I wouldnt say so, it just feels through the backdoor sometimes.

4.6/2800 yields a 2693 passmark which is acceptable, but nothing more for 1k€. A bit dissapointing from Intel...BUT...it wont run prime95 for an hour, which my Sandy did endless at 4.8 and same passmark bench. From that perspective, very dissapointing, it really doesnt use that much energy less overall at this level.

Next thing will be to find 4600/2800 stable settings to be as fast as my old rig.

Then I will try to lower the Volts until instzabilty comes back to find the sweetspot.

Maybe, it wont do 4.6, I am not sure if this die will do 4.6 at acceptable Volts across the

board.

LLC has only 2 settings :( Off and Mode1 ...there is no MODE TWO far and wide to be found, which is bad MSI. A modest LLC setting is not too brutal for your VRMs, watercooled or not, they die faster the harsher you treat them.

As expected, the Corsair Venegance DDR4-3000 CL15 yet don'r run stable at XMP ( that wont even boot ) or manual settings at anything higher than 2800 yet. Pretty much ok but 3000 would be nice none the less.

Stramnge for this 6th gen I have is that I dont have any heat issues, all cores are relatively even with temps, difference no greater than 6°C between coldest and hottest core across all MHz settings but it's a tricky die for some reason.

For real SMP, the 4500MHz setting is THE ONLY ONE that holds anything above the sold 4GHz in brutal conditions. At 4.6 and 4.7 it drops all cores to 4GHz, slower than it was at 4.5, Volts dont matter.

For IPC things, it stays at the set 4.6 or 4.7, so for DCS that was OK.

enuff said...more testing...:music_whistling:

So far highest stable I can achieve is 45x102,3 @ ~4.6xGHz with the RAMs at 2800.

For the RAM to work without prime errors I needed to UP the VCC-IO + VCC-SA to 1 notch before red values, which I dont like.

If I leave the RAM on 2800, no matter what, the board raises the Volts on those to very FAR into the RED area which is a No-Go over longer time. Volts set were 1.245 for both, it runs flawless 4 clicks lower.

That setting results in single-core 4.6GHZ and all cores to run at somewhere at 4.4GHz steady, which is beztter than 45x100 that ended in stable 4.3GHz all core load.

I am unsure if this CPU will do error free 4.7 or even 4.8. It's not the temp, astonishingly that is low, just those stupid prime errors I have for now.

My friends 4th gen i5 3.4/3.8GHz clocks to 4.8 without a hiccup and yields well over 2900 Passmark single core !!!!

If I had to sell DCS rigs now, it would be i5's ! 1/3 the price and still on par if not better in the end.

how is your new system compared to old 2600k 5.0Ghz based system in DCS? which cpu waterblock you're using now?

It`s not 1 cent faster PureEvil, so skip that upgrade if you can , wasted money.

I use the "watercool.de" Heatkiller IV in copper edition on a MoRa3 external radiator ( see sig ).

The only thing better is in Windows, there I can feel some benefits and DCS loading time is about 1/3 compared to my Sandy.

In game, there is 0 diffewrence from what I can tell now after 2-3h test flying.

Copying 200GB over a 1Gbit Cat cable still fills up 1 CPU core to max...what a shame...

really disappointed by this Mobo and CPU performance, the board is a gag ! Asus is way superior in Bios in OC easyness of operation.

This board is a NIGHTMARE !!!!

Giving it back if possible vs. cashback and gonna go and get me Asus Maximus Formula VIII on amazon instead. This Bios sux, oc sux, lots of colors and LEDs but no true stability, colours...yeah..it blinks in any colour but wont boot anymore at all...LOL MSI..what have ya done ?

It kills Bios everytime it goes to energy save mode and many other bad things....stay away from it.

The guy on CC-phone kind of admitted the shortcomings, I guess I wasn't the first one calling in.

Since I am a B2B customer ot might well be that I cant give it back and get money but get another one of same make n model again. Well, if that again fails Sleepmode in naked config ( mobo, ram, cpu, ssd ) then I have the right to get my money back but have to give them 1 chanve to fix it....I dont want any more MSI ever in my life. 2nd time in 20 years and 2nd time big FAILURE !!!

RAMs only go till 2600 ( might be CPU...ok ) and Voltages are already beyond good and bad for that ( by AUTO settings )... Asus can do that a lot better as the other board on the table clearly shows, if I had only bought two of those Asus X99's....now that BS :(

4500 is all it does without getting stupid, whereas all cores then drop to 4300 when priming. Thats max I got it stable with 3h+ prime95.

What a diss

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Sorry to sa, after hours of priming and voltages up and down, this MSI board is a nightmare.

Had to take the battery out to have it boot again after energy save mode...and google is full of that topic...what a freeakin' diss for a 500$+ board.

I talked to the distro centre and since I am B2B customer I cant just give it back 1st time, I have to accept 1 chance for them to fix the failure, if it fails 2nd time I can ask for refund on the 3rd exchange...german law.

Till now, the RAM only does good till 2600MHz, anything above produces failures in priming it for hours. I dont prime for 15 minutes, if it doesnt do 3h minimum it's of no use and called rubbish, period.

I wish I had bought an i5 s my pal did, 4th gen, and be happy with it. he smokes my system that is THREE TIMES AS EXPENSIVE with a i5/4th-gen that settles in at 4.8...what a frwakin CPU that is

om air cooling....F..my 6700k...a waste of money.

Wait for the 7th gen or get a 4th gen if you cant wait, this 6th gen is a nightmare, board and CPU.

4500/4300@2600RAM is best I can achieve with a full 10h priming without errors.

The strange thing, temp is never an issue....way way below any criticial temp.

I never had such a bad combo. NEVER !!!!

gonna sell it asap

BitMaster

The board does ok if you dont push it, I have to be fair at least.

I just did a SRV2008R2/win7 domain combo for 36h in VMware and I have to say, I love 32GB. ( done at 4.500MHz and no fans , 0dB all over for 24 hours, no cooling but water, ZERO fans )

Just this overclocking issue and the nightmare Bios....oh F..... :)

Not done YET !!!!!!

on the MSI web site it says "DDR4 Memory 3600(OC)/ 3200(OC)/ 3000(OC)/ 2800(OC)/ 2600(OC)/ 2400/ 2133 MHz"

if it doesn't work as it should, change board, i wouldn't keep it for too long if it doesn't do what it should.

Have a few family issues ( wife in hospital and 3 kids + work ) so this damn board has lowest priority for now.

It is so bad now that any reboot or energy save mode attempt results ina "take battery out & shorten pins" to get it booting again. The longer I own this stupid "Brett" the worse it gets :(

Any time I change a few things in Bios as well it killed a MiG-21 lic...well I stepped away from activating it for now LoL... that aint MSI's fault btw.

I bought Premium Service for 4.95€ with that order so I can exchange anytime in 6 months "quicl-return" without going through the usual process, just as B2B I cant claim the money back unless 2 attempts to fix fail...well...I doubt a 2nd and 3rd board will fix it to be honest. If you check google for MSI Z170 and the said problems you will see that it is a redline across that series that suffers those exact symptoms.

I think that one of those MSI chips for keyboard and overclocking is the culprit ( equivalent to Asus' AI CHip ). Ever since I activated that and it flashed its Eprom twice to be up2date I think I have those severe errors.

From day 1 on it was a very troublesome board.

A: layout of the metal backplate voids usage of most towers you come across ( mind that ).

B: clustered unorganized Bios layout.

C: Non working LED controlApp of questionable use but show off ( jams and blocks Desktop)

D: A Network Chip of the lesser kind, it's software suite BSOD's your PC every 10-15min !!!

E: Too few USB ports directly accessible, only 1 USB2 header on mobo.It got 2 USB3.12 headers tho that force you to connect many devices from front, which I dont like for printers and scanners etc.. ok for USB sticks etc... but not for perm. attached devices

I coud go on...I stop here for now

YOu cant even use it for ordinary stuff cause you never know idf it woud boot or not...UNACCEPTABLE.

The RAM he said is only said to work at 2133MHz ( due to CPU limits ). Any other frequ. may or may not work. Sure, true, but will you ALSO print that statement under any RAM module higher than 2133MHz on your webshop so you warn people that you dont take RAM back if they refuse to work at any higher than blabla MHZ and that much below max rated ??!! That, I would call fair.

Anyway...MSI...no more...neither a VGA card nor a board nor anything else.

I have one brand new Asus X99 here just as the MSI goes so bad I have just put it together and installed SRV2008R2 on it but will redo it with 7 again to install more OC tools for testing.

I am also curious to see if that got fixed, to what I know they found they reason and fixed it, also you can change Bios for USB detection to QUICK and avoid many of those said USB booting issues, maybe not all on all boards.

The board I have is Asus X99 WS/IPMI with a i7-5820k and 2133 DDR4 4 x 4GB.

That board will be ded. Server for Tobit Groupware and Sage Sales Progs.. not a OC machine...but I am really curious if it outperforms the 6700k in pure power and ease of OC.

Will report about it once I got the time to do it.

Sending it back now...what a diss.... and waste of time.

newest trick it did was after shutting it down the board and GPU stayed lid up with LED's 12V rails still under Voltage and the watersysstem still running despite the system otherwise was shut down, that happened like 4 times in a row until i flicked the switch on the PSU..after that it somehow reacts kind of normal...well..I dont trust this anymore anyways...just a curiosity I havent seen before.

Over the weekend I will take the board out and send it back, papers are all done already, just need the time to do it. I will give this X99 a shot with my 980 and 32+16GB DDR4 as I have no other fast board around to play with :) I only hope the Noctua 9DH is good enuff to do some OC

for testing...cant burn it, it's a sold system for a friend I am preparing this coming month..LoL

Well well...today...MSI had a few updates for their gear and suddenly this board behaves like it should...

Since I have no time at hand right now anyway for anything but family & business this board has to wait for exchange and may not get exchanged if it will show stability without a glitch from now on..I just doubt it...even so it booted last few days like a charm, even sleep mode recovery after it had the symptoms described earlier that it just wouldnt properly shut down and cut voltages througout the system ( post above ). Ever since I fixed that it bahves like on digital steroids :)))

Still. I have my concerns about the Voltages and XMP...which I may test before I hit the sack soon, it either works or jams :)

Didnt I say I enjoy screwing up Bioses and OC for fun and to relax...yeah...I still love it

Most, like 95%, of the PC's I built run right away, assemble, put win & drivers on and out the door with them...with my OWN gaming rigs..ever since...I had a bad start. This is no different at all..LoL

off to check XMP...if I dont call in in 15min its stuck I am in bed :)

JEEEZUS

With a bit of luck and fiddling they now boot at least till 3200MHz by hand and good will :)

3066MHz is currently under testing...if it still runs on all cores by tomorrow when I will have a look again I consider it stable.

What seemed to do the trick past 2600MHz is switching from 100 to 133MHz base clock for the RAM modules.

3200/32*100 fails pretty quick priming...maybe a 133 setting could yield even more than 3066....if this is stable I will push it further.

CPU is at 4500, 45x100, no EIST, no Turbo, no Enhanced Turbo....it settles under full load as before while priming at 4300MHz throughout the 8 core torture. Any higher MHz sustained only come by raising the CPU clock from 100 to 102MHz for example...the 2x45 will be added everywhere, peak & sustained MHz....time will tell

It booted fine throughout about 20 boots..even the too high settings didnt cause one of the bad bootings I had initailly that forced me to take batt out etc...

going tobed now and let it prime with full fans all over...LOUD ;)

PRIME BABY PRIME