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Old 05-19-2020, 09:36 PM   #11
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Air to Air Refuelling.

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Yeah I know what AAR is, but I didn't know the physics of them was getting improved.
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Old 05-20-2020, 03:30 AM   #12
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Why not just use UH-60 and a navy livery for now
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Old 05-20-2020, 04:06 AM   #13
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Yeah I know what AAR is, but I didn't know the physics of them was getting improved.
Yup if they get the physics sorted out to be way more realistic then we are all going to have to relearn it. Wait until you see all the threads from people raging about how it was perfectly fine before and now it is too darn hard!
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Old 05-20-2020, 04:17 AM   #14
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Why not just use UH-60 and a navy livery for now
Because the UH-60 model can't fold up the rotors and tail on the deck. It looks good while airborne, and you could probably use it on OHPs, Arleigh Burkes, or Ticonderogas and it would look fine, but as a static on a flight deck, it would probably look out of place.
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Old 05-20-2020, 05:37 PM   #15
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Why not just use UH-60 and a navy livery for now
The tail wheel is also much farther forward on a Seahawk than a UH-60, primarily as a function of the tail fold, but also to allow the tail to extend out over the deck edge and still have all wheels on the deck.

I guess it's a question of which breaks one's immersion more, though (crappy SH-60 model vs UH-60 model in Navy skin), which is of course just a matter of personal preference.
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Old 05-20-2020, 05:53 PM   #16
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And, Please. Get the model variant correct. There were never any SH-60Bs on carriers more than just for a few minutes. The Carrier Air Wing's helo squadrons were all HS, which flew the SH-60F and HH-60H. As a retired HS pilot, it's very annoying to see the wrong H-60 on the flight deck.



https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/sh-60f.htm


https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/hh-60h.htm


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After the SH-60B entered service,[9] the Navy conducted a competition to replace the SH-3 Sea King. The competitors were Sikorsky, Kaman and IBM (avionics only).[citation needed] Sikorsky began development of this variant in March 1985. In January 1986, seven SH-60Fs were ordered including two prototypes (BuNos 163282/3).[10] The first example flew on 19 March 1987.[11] The SH-60F was based on the SH-60B airframe, but with upgraded SH-3H avionics.[citation needed]
The SH-60F primarily served as the carrier battle group's primary antisubmarine warfare (ASW) aircraft. The helicopter hunted submarines with its AQS-13F dipping sonar, and carried a 6-tube sonobuoy launcher. The SH-60F is unofficially named "Oceanhawk".[11] The SH-60F can carry Mk 46, Mk 50, or Mk 54 torpedoes for its offensive weapons, and it has a choice of fuselage-mounted machine guns, including the M60D, M240D, and GAU-16 (.50 caliber) for self-defense. The standard aircrew consists of one pilot, one co-pilot, one tactical sensor operator (TSO), and one acoustic sensor operator (ASO). The SH-60F was operated by the U.S Navy's Helicopter Antisubmarine (HS) squadrons until they were redesignated Helicopter Sea Combat (HSC) squadrons transitioned to the MH-60S. The last HS squadron completed its transition in 2016.


HH-60H


An HH-60H Seahawk deploying a SAR swimmer


The HH-60H was developed in conjunction with the US Coast Guard's HH-60J, beginning in September 1986 with a contract for the first five helicopters with Sikorsky as the prime contractor. The variant's first flight occurred on 17 August 1988. Deliveries of the HH-60H began in 1989. The variant earned initial operating capability in April 1990 and was deployed to Desert Storm with HCS-4 and HCS-5 in 1991.[11] The HH-60H's official DoD and Sikorsky name is Seahawk, though it has been called "Rescue Hawk".[12]
Based on the SH-60F, the HH-60H is the primary combat search and rescue (CSAR), naval special warfare (NSW) and anti-surface warfare (ASUW) helicopter. It carries various defensive and offensive sensors, it is one of the most survivable helicopters in the world.[citation needed] Sensors include a FLIR turret with laser designator and the Aircraft Survival Equipment (ASE) package including the ALQ-144 Infrared Jammer, AVR-2 Laser Detectors, APR-39(V)2 Radar Detectors, AAR-47 Missile Launch Detectors and ALE-47 chaff/flare dispensers. Engine exhaust deflectors provide infrared thermal reduction reducing the threat of heat-seeking missiles. The HH-60H can carry up to four AGM-114 Hellfire missiles on an extended wing using the M299 launcher and a variety of mountable guns including M60D, M240, GAU-16 and GAU-17/A machine guns.
The HH-60H's standard crew is pilot, copilot, an enlisted crew chief, and two door gunners or one rescue swimmer. Originally operated by HCS-5 and HCS-4 (later HSC-84), these two special USNR squadrons were established with the primary mission of Naval Special Warfare and Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR). Due to SOCOM budget issues the squadrons were deactivated in 2006 and 2016 respectively. The HH-60H was also operated by Helicopter Antisubmarine (HS) squadrons with a standard dispersal of six F-models and two or three H-models before the transition of HS squadrons to HSC squadrons equipped with the MH-60S, the last of which completed its transition in 2016. The only squadron equipped with the HH-60H as of 2016 is HSC-85, one of only two remaining USNR helicopter squadrons (the other being HSM-60 equipped with the MH-60R). In Iraq, HH-60Hs were used by the Navy, assisting the Army, for MEDEVAC purposes and special operations missions.[citation needed]


Here's a photo of one just like I flew in Iraq, and equipped with two AGM-114 Hellfire missiles, ALE-47 Chaff & Flare dispensers, and M-2 "Ma-Deuce" 50 Cal crew-served machine gun visible on the port side.




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Old 05-20-2020, 07:48 PM   #17
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And to correct myself: I suppose, depending on what time period you want to represent, you could reskin a UH-60 model with an MH-60S skin, since the MH-60S actually has its tail wheel far aft like a Blackhawk. (The airframe is more or less common with the UH-60L, for reasons having more to do with DoD cost savings than operational reasons, IIRC).
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Old 05-21-2020, 12:07 AM   #18
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And, Please. Get the model variant correct. There were never any SH-60Bs on carriers more than just for a few minutes. The Carrier Air Wing's helo squadrons were all HS, which flew the SH-60F and HH-60H. As a retired HS pilot, it's very annoying to see the wrong H-60 on the flight deck.
As a former SH-60B pilot, I can confirm, we largely spent our time avoiding the big decks like the plague I've landed on plenty of FFGs and DDGs but never had to go to the carrier.

It would be cool to see some Bravos on the flight decks of some of the small-boys, but I emphatically agree that a proper 60F deserves to be modeled for the Supercarrier module.
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