Fang333333 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Happy weekend friendly friends, I am having an issue with the mi-8 coldstart training mission. For some reason, all my controls are frozen. The cockpit is still clickable but the joystick and collective do not move. If I go into a instant action, or other mission, everything is fine. I go back into coldstart, they are frozen. I figured maybe digital wires were getting crossed between sim and game profiles so I set both controls and still nothing. Still other missions seem fine, however I have only tried maybe 2 others. What is this? Fang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msalama Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Hmmm... no idea really, and what follows may be daft. Still, the controls are hydraulically operated, meaning you need engine power for them to work. Have you started at least one engine before using them? The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fang333333 Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 Have you started at least one engine before using them? Negative, I cannot get to that point. Its ALMOST like I am not assigned to the plane, but the cockpit clicks. I'm kinda wondering if there is something wrong with this module, I also cannot turn on the fans in my instant action missions. I have not read the manual granted (Still studying the Hornet) but I found the switch above your head and the fan never turns on. Kinda wondering if this is a bad install? Sucks, I kinda depend on those training missions to pound info into my brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) Negative, I cannot get to that point. Its ALMOST like I am not assigned to the plane, but the cockpit clicks. I'm kinda wondering if there is something wrong with this module, I also cannot turn on the fans in my instant action missions. I have not read the manual granted (Still studying the Hornet) but I found the switch above your head and the fan never turns on. Kinda wondering if this is a bad install? Sucks, I kinda depend on those training missions to pound info into my brain. I just did the MI-8 cold start training mission, everything was fine on my side. Your controls will only move if you have at least one engine running because they are hydrolic powered like msalama said. Your fans will only run if you switch your generators on(normally after both engines are running), they are not battarey powered. Edit: There is an option for synchronising your physical controls with the in game ones at mission start, do you have this option checked?(i don't have that active) Maybe this is causing trouble for you? Edited January 19, 2020 by unknown Modules: KA-50, A-10C, FC3, UH-1H, MI-8MTV2, CA, MIG-21bis, FW-190D9, Bf-109K4, F-86F, MIG-15bis, M-2000C, SA342 Gazelle, AJS-37 Viggen, F/A-18C, F-14, C-101, FW-190A8, F-16C, F-5E, JF-17, SC, Mi-24P Hind, AH-64D Apache, Mirage F1, F-4E Phantom II System: Win 11 Pro 64bit, Ryzen 3800X, 32gb RAM DDR4-3200, PowerColor Radeon RX 6900XT Red Devil ,1 x Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB NVMe, 2 x Samsung SSD 2TB + 1TB SATA, MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals - VIRPIL T-50CM and VIRPIL MongoosT-50 Throttle - HP Reverg G2, using only the latest Open Beta, DCS settings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molevitch Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 You have to start up. The controls are hydraulic so will not move until hydraulics are functioning. Make sure collective is all the way down and cyclic centred. Once you have one engine running, the controls can be moved. SCAN Intel Core i9 10850K "Comet Lake", 32GB DDR4, 10GB NVIDIA RTX 3080, HP Reverb G2. Custom Mi-24 pit with magnetic braked cyclic and collective. See it here: Molevitch Mi-24 Pit. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] www.blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fang333333 Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 Edit: There is an option for synchronising your physical controls with the in game ones at mission start, do you have this option checked?(i don't have that active) Maybe this is causing trouble for you? I do have that checked. The fans were not working during instant action when the mi-8 is already flying and warm. Gonna try an uncheck to see if that helps the training mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msalama Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) I do not see why hydraulics would be powering the physical movements of control surfaces (No hydraulics and my joystick and collective physically dont move in cockpit???) Check out the following post. You probably won't have the strength to move the control surfaces by sheer force if the hydro system is not pressurized, which is probably why it's modelled the way it is. https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3821405&postcount=5 EDIT: Changed my comment completely because the original was all wrong. My apologies. Edited January 19, 2020 by msalama The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holton181 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I do have that checked. The fans were not working during instant action when the mi-8 is already flying and warm. Gonna try an uncheck to see if that helps the training mission. Regarding the fans. Do you have your throttle handle (goes by a different name in the Mi-8) turned all the way up (pilots left wrist towards right, contrary to the Huey), so the engines are operating in their working RPM and the generators are enabled? They are disabled when the RPM is below a certain value, and hence many functions relaying on them stop working, including the fans. (when starting with the engines running, the "clicker" warning about low RPM is enabled and you will hear a clicking sound at low RPMs. This warning system has to be turned on on the right pilots overhead side panel.) Helicopters and Viggen DCS 1.5.7 and OpenBeta Win7 Pro 64bit i7-3820 3.60GHz P9X79 Pro 32GB GTX 670 2GB VG278H + a Dell PFT Lynx TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fang333333 Posted January 21, 2020 Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) Folks this is still stuck. I am at training missions and it is still telling me to center my controls but they do not move either through keyboard presses vr gloves etc. I tried everything. I do not think this has anything to do with hydro's, switches, etc. I am 95% certain this module is broken on my pc. I own almost all the modules and nothing performs like this. She is fine when started. But during colds start I cannot do the manual because the controls are not moving. IE Manual = "Center Collective" OK. But it doesn't move. As pictured I have been doing this as per manual from the start but I am still nowhere. The training will not progress passed maybe the 3rd screen. Again. Pictured I've been sitting on the tarmac far too long now and I might need some help as to filing this as an official problem. To be straight honest, I'm not sure I'm going to want this module if I have no way of starting the chopper. If you do not believe me, or cannot resist the urge to tell a pilot/aviation student ironically holding an AAS in electrical instrumentation to read the manual, don't bother typing. Sorry for that, I just have to Pre shoot down "RTFM" zombies Now I did try the option to have the HOTAS synced and it makes no difference any other way. Kinda sucks, as I always do I bought a campaign or 2 for this and now its looking like a broken mod :cry: Oh. Also tried reinstall Edited January 21, 2020 by Fang333333 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iFoxRomeo Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 The controls won't move without hydraulic pressure. Try a cold start NOT in the tutorial mission. It is possible that the tutorial mission hasn't been updated and hence the triggers might not work properly. There should be a free flight mission. Try the "auto start cheat" to see, if it generally works. Then use the flight manual for a cold start. There are also YT tutorials for cold start. Fox Spoiler PC Specs: Ryzen 9 5900X, 3080ti, 64GB RAM, Oculus Quest 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danvac Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Engine Conditions Levers are the two levers on collective. They are centered by default. Throttle twist grip is corrector in controls and that is that rotating grip on collective. Can you record your start up procedure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fang333333 Posted January 21, 2020 Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 Disregard. THREE times a charm. To my great surprise after a 3rd install, my engines started up, and controls released. Now seeing how it is SUPPOSED to work I see that the previously installed versions were doing some really weird things... Anyway Very excited to add this module to my collection. Thank you all who took the time to try and help! Thanks! Fang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msalama Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) don't bother typing Yes I'll bother. Because regardless of your quals, you need to read at least the POH if you're in an AC you've never flown before, real or virtual. EDIT: doing this as per manual So you _did_ read at least part of it? Well I'll take the above back then ;) Edited January 22, 2020 by msalama The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danvac Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 @Fang333333, glad to hear you are able get to sky now...btw...it may happen that you forget to release rotor brake and it that case engines won't start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted January 24, 2020 ED Team Share Posted January 24, 2020 If you are seeing issues with your controls it maybe worth disabling hotplug devices, it has helped others in the past. https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=251377 edit: cleaned up the thread, please be nice to each other. thanks Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molevitch Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Hi Fang, I realised what the problem is. The instruction to “centre controls” refers to your physical sticks, not the ones in the cockpit. If your physical sticks are for example off to the side and your collective raised, as soon as your engines come up to power, the virtual controls will match them, potentially rolling your aircraft over, or leaping it into the air. So, physical collective down, physical cyclic centred, pedals centred too. To match the positions of the virtual sticks before start up. Mole SCAN Intel Core i9 10850K "Comet Lake", 32GB DDR4, 10GB NVIDIA RTX 3080, HP Reverb G2. Custom Mi-24 pit with magnetic braked cyclic and collective. See it here: Molevitch Mi-24 Pit. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] www.blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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