DCS: de Havilland DH.98 Mosquito FB Mk VI Discussion

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Following the P-47D, our next warbird will be the Mosquito. Noted for its impressive speed and heavy armament, the Mossy will provide a unique element to DCS World in both the attack and reconnaissance roles. Skimming Europe at tree-top height at high speed will be thrilling!

Oh yes!

I always said that if anyone makes a good high fidelity Mosquito or Mirage IIIc sim my credit card will come out so fast that the sonic boom will be heard all the way to the developers studio.

Come ED - make me go boom!

YEAH BOZON!!! :D

The navigator looks lost in that pic :D

Excited though, would be my fave bird in DCS as of yet by far

My wallet is usually welded shut but I'm with you Bozon! Bring on the Mossie!

~S~

Mosquito squadron lads? Who is ready to bring the pain to burning skies!

My wallet is usually welded shut but I'm with you Bozon! Bring on the Mossie!

 

 

 

~S~

Really Bruv? I thought that you were from south England, didn’t know you were a Scot ;) :p

I fear the Axis planes will keep their MW50 engaged at all times and not fly any slower at the sight of all those Merlins rampaging all over the place. Heres hoping the new Damage model will be in place before the 4x 20mm mossie laser cannon of doom gets its first outing.

Plus need a new pair of swimshorts for that marianas map.

This will be us

Will we get an AI navigator like Jester for the F-14?

I want a cockney lad named Jimmy :)

Or, if 633 Squdron movie is to us what Top Gun is for the F-14 then his callsign will be Hoppy.

“ ‘ere comes Barney Rubble on me Six O'clock it does! “

Will we get an AI navigator like Jester for the F-14?

Or, if 633 Squdron movie is to us what Top Gun is for the F-14 then his callsign will be Hoppy.

 

“ ‘ere comes Barney Rubble on me Six O'clock it does! “

"Hoppy" (Angus Lennie) was my uncle :)

"That's what I could do with right, now... a nice, deep, cosy coal mine."

"If I make a mess of this you'll be deeper than any coal mine!"

A question for people who know more about the mosquito, was it more commonly dive bombing or level bombing? Does it have any kind of sight for level bombing?

This mosquito doesn't have a bombsight but the proper bomber B marks do.

That's got me thinking actually, having never flown a wooden fighter-bomber into fortress Europe before.

Low-alt level bombing with delayed fuses is something I've seen in old footage before quite a bit.

Yeah the low level delayed bombing thing feels like a mosquito thing to do, but I know nothing about this aircraft I just like the idea of a different type of WWII plane.

2nd TAF Mossie FB.VI relied upon two forms of bombing attack - Ultra low level, level bombing, using 11 second delayed action fuses at rooftop height, with the pilot releasing the bombs by eye. This represents the preferred method for precision attacks on a wide array of target types, however....

When going against the fixed V-1 launch sites a shallow dive bomb approach was generally preferred, with release again being made by eye by the pilot.

Attacks were made in sections of 3 with sufficient spacing to avoid the following section running into the bomb blasts of the one ahead.

The fighter bomber Mossies of 2nd TAF did a great deal of night interdiction work prior to and after the D-Day landings; these sorties were made solo, with individual aircraft allotted specific sectors to hunt within (deconfliction). Occasionally these forays were made with an RAF Mitchell in attendance, the task of the medium being to drop illumination flares on the Mosquito crews orders to help identify suspected targets.

Coastal Command FB.VIs are a slightly different animal, given that 99% of their targets were shipping; rocket attacks were made in a 45 degree dive, but prior to them being cleared for RP, they'd have used bombs; whether low level skip bomb or shallow dive attack I have not yet established, but in either case, release made by eye by the pilot.

Hi Bruv

from sunny Portsmouth!

Neal

Im just thinking how mosquito will perform against K-4 or D-9?

Not well I'd imagine which is what you'd expect for a light bomber going up against the premier fighters of the day. From pilot reports I've read about Mosquitoes scoring victories against 109s or 190s the majority seemed to happen late in the day or at night when the enemy aircraft was caught unaware. The 4 x 20mm cannon sounded devastating from these reports though.

Not well I'd imagine which is what you'd expect for a light bomber going up against the premier fighters of the day. From pilot reports I've read about Mosquitoes scoring victories against 109s or 190s the majority seemed to happen late in the day or at night when the enemy aircraft was caught unaware. The 4 x 20mm cannon sounded devastating from these reports though.

Considering only day operations:

Mosquitoes (FB.VI specifically) fought mostly 109G and 190A (radials). Even in 1945 over Norway the 109K and 190D were not common. In nearly all of these engagements the mossies started from a defensive position since they were focused on another mission, not air superiority. In day-ranger missions, FB.VI would bounce 109s and 190s if they had the advantage (surprise, numbers) and could make a quick kill and run away. If caught it would usually mean 1 or 2 low mossies vs. superior numbers of higher interceptors, so non of these are good indication.

The place+time where FB.VI faced 109 and 190 in proper many-on-many melees was in Norway in 1945. Costal Command Banff wing Mosquitoes (often mixed with Beaufighters) were conducting anti-shipping raids. On several occasions they were intercepted by a mix of 109 and 190 (mostly G and A models) as they were egressing from the strike, escorting planes damaged by AAA and most of their ammo expended - not the most ideal initial conditions. Some of these engagements went in favor of the Luftwaffe, some in favor of the Mossies. Overall, the kills are close to even. As the risk of fighters increased during the final months of the war these raids were escorted by RAF Mustangs who took upon themselves the air combat while the mossies focused on the strike and getting out.

To keep things in perspective when considering these anecdotes, one have to keep in mind that most FB.VI pilots were not trained as fighter pilots (though a few transitioned from fighters). They were trained and ordered to avoid fighters and seek to disengage when possible. The “fighter” mosquitoes were night-fighters which is a whole other thing from day fighters.

The FB.VI entered service in mid 1943. 109K and 190D are late 1944. By that time FB.VIs that were going out on day-rangers required 150 octane fuel in order to compete. The “long nose” 190s were feared by the mosquito crews though they were rarely seen where FB.VIs operated.

Considering only day operations:

 

Mosquitoes (FB.VI specifically) fought mostly 109G and 190A (radials). Even in 1945 over Norway the 109K and 190D were not common. In nearly all of these engagements the mossies started from a defensive position since they were focused on another mission, not air superiority. In day-ranger missions, FB.VI would bounce 109s and 190s if they had the advantage (surprise, numbers) and could make a quick kill and run away. If caught it would usually mean 1 or 2 low mossies vs. superior numbers of higher interceptors, so non of these are good indication.

 

The place+time where FB.VI faced 109 and 190 in proper many-on-many melees was in Norway in 1945. Costal Command Banff wing Mosquitoes (often mixed with Beaufighters) were conducting anti-shipping raids. On several occasions they were intercepted by a mix of 109 and 190 (mostly G and A models) as they were egressing from the strike, escorting planes damaged by AAA and most of their ammo expended - not the most ideal initial conditions. Some of these engagements went in favor of the Luftwaffe, some in favor of the Mossies. Overall, the kills are close to even. As the risk of fighters increased during the final months of the war these raids were escorted by RAF Mustangs who took upon themselves the air combat while the mossies focused on the strike and getting out.

 

To keep things in perspective when considering these anecdotes, one have to keep in mind that most FB.VI pilots were not trained as fighter pilots (though a few transitioned from fighters). They were trained and ordered to avoid fighters and seek to disengage when possible. The “fighter” mosquitoes were night-fighters which is a whole other thing from day fighters.

 

The FB.VI entered service in mid 1943. 109K and 190D are late 1944. By that time FB.VIs that were going out on day-rangers required 150 octane fuel in order to compete. The “long nose” 190s were feared by the mosquito crews though they were rarely seen where FB.VIs operated.

It doesn't matter what was during WW2, In DCS MP warfare k-4 is very common plane and 109 Gs are not possible to meet in aerial combat.

I did get the impression that the Mossie simply wasn’t capable of withstanding high G turns, which if true would very much push the choice on engagement down to whether it’s an opportunist boom and zoom, or simply run away. I’d be surprised to see one actively chosen by to stay in a knife/dogfight

It doesn't matter what was during WW2, In DCS MP warfare k-4 is very common plane and 109 Gs are not possible to meet in aerial combat.

OK, in that case the only thing we can do until the module becomes available is to look at other games - which of course will be highly dependent on the specific implementations and quirks of each game’s flight models.

In Aces High Mosquito FB.VI get to fight 109K and 190D and I have a bit of experience with that. Both the 109 and 190 have a significant speed advantage at all altitudes, and increase with altitude. There is no escaping from these planes.

The 190D can BnZ the mossie from dusk till the cows come home - if it plays it timidly. In a knife fight the mossie EAT the dora, with a better circle and slow speed handling, specially if flaps are used. This assumes that the mossie can engage its WEP which makes a huge difference.

The 109K is much closer to the mossie in a knife fight. Its major advantage is that it build energy incredibly fast, so if the mossie can’t win the fight quickly, it is very likely to lose. The 109k can also BnZ the mossie as much as it wants if it plays it safe and doesn’t push too hard.

Should the fight start with E advantage to the mossie, both of these planes are in big trouble. The only escape for the Dora is to dive to very high speeds, and the 109 must try to evade long enough for it to equalize the energy states. One mistake from them all it takes for the quad hispanos to evaporate them.

This is how it plays in Aces High.

Tactics and teamwork are the equalizer, the most reasonable sounding thing seems to be to pair mosquitoes with some single engine fighter as a strike package.

The mosquito is fast for a twin engine aircraft and has good armament. It can't compete against single seat fighters in dogfights but probably has good potential for staying alive with a some teamwork.

Its a ground attacker/night fighter. It should be really fun to fly.

Can we have de Havilland Hornet F.1 or F.3 after this one ??

Dont suppose we get to know if we're running 150 octane or not?