Kickstarter Physical Extras

The general idea is not bad but the problem lies in the 'future content' part. The best solution involves putting this whole thing to rest finally and completely, in a timely fashion. As it is, we have digital rewards that won't be available for as much as a year (not complaining about the timeline here). Having further credit points hanging over ED's head even beyond that time doesn't accomplish that, while still adding an additional bookkeeping task to the issue.

I have to agree better to put all of this behind us, but I was think more along the line of the point system that is already in place. ED would need to establish the value of a single reward tier and credit it to the backers profile just like they do when a customer purchases one or more modules at full price. I think this could be the easiest way to make everyone happy and essentially putting all of this behind us because the issue would be settled. This is just a hunch but any amount of coupon ED could give to the bakers to end this mess I assume would only be a drop in the bucket compared to any gains they predict on getting from future content.

I have to agree better to put all of this behind us, but I was think more along the line of the point system that is already in place...

Personally, I don't care for the bonus system, as it stands, so I would not be a proponent of such a solution.

Honestly I'm not even sure what I'm entitled to with the mix up of matrix vs original pledge vs new backer levels, etc. At minimum I should get a manual of choice and all flyables. At most a manual, tee shirt, alpha access, and all flyables.

All I really want is just the flyables, alpha access if it's ever available, and we call it even. IMO ED should not be on the hook for anything more than that even if it was promised by what I consider a failed Kickstarter campaign.

If ED had not picked up the ball for all of us, we would be left with nothing.

I chose to get three aircraft manuals myself, but after seeing this thread I went back and changed mine to none. I'm just happy ED has decided to carry on with this project and I don't want to put any extra burden on them. I know there is a lot of expense involved in this and the kick starter probably didn't even cover the tip of the iceberg. Thank you ED. I love your Sim and have almost all your products. I will continue to help support all future endeavors that I can afford!

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I backed this project because I wanted ED to expand in popularity and hopefully incur greatly increased profits with a final goal of reducing the huge timelines it takes to develop new airframe, maps and new in game content (i.e. the greatly anticipated F-18 and the release of EDGE and maybe its SDK)

I couldn't give 2 cents about printed manuals everyone has a portable device to display pdfs, or as many others have stated take it to a print shop and get it professionally bound. When it comes to WW2 aircraft a printed manual is really required when compared to a A-10C or F-18C avionics level.

The strategy guide? Well i envision this as the same 5 chapters that were included with every boxed flight sim that we purchased prior to the digital only era. i.e How to Initiate the energy fight, the turning fight, the two circle fight, the one circle fight, the break turn, the barrel roll, the scissors, rolling scissors, dives, yo-yos, Immelman, split-s....etc.....

T-shirts? I can go to target and buy a popgun tshirt for 8 bucks.

Posters oh boy....still not flying new content with other DCS lovers.

So when I pledged I tried to avoid the t-shirts the manuals and go for the most free aircraft possible....and honestly due to the very un-well described pledge levels I'm still not really sure what free aircraft I'm entitled to.

One final note is this is an opportunity to trash the completely separate build of DCS WW2 and keep everything in one module....multiplayer games could determine what timeline you want to join into...and I for one would like to keep DCS under one hood so to speak.

I also would welcome someone to develop a civi jet airliner so DCS could steal all the former FSX/Prepar 3D crowd customers and once again expand there customer base in hopes of reducing new content timelines significantly.

Cheers all, and thank you to ED for picking up the ball on this one. Now please hurry up and get that F-18 released.

I would prefer Wags training missions to a strategy guide personally... I can crack open Shaw's book for tactics and such :)

+1 That's the only thing that got me checked out on the A-10C! :smartass:

Personally I don't care for any of the extras I put in $300 just to make sure the kickstarter succeeded :)

 

Poll?

+1

Although extras were offered at the level I backed, the reason I put my money down was to support the project. Given what has happened, if there is a choice between a member of the dev team spending days writing a strategy guide or working on the sim, it's the latter for me every time. Likewise, if the costs of printing and binding extras like manuals, strategy guides, t-shirts etc will significantly reduce the budget for the development of the aircraft and map, I know which I'd rather not have.

For me forget the T-shirts, posters and guides. At the $300.00 level I also have 6 planes x 2, the 47, Spit, 109, 262, 190D and P51. I already have the 51 so I don't need 2 more. I would not object to rolling that back to 1 each and forget the other 2 51's, unless the one of the 51's would be needed for DCSWW11.

I would rather see the RRG/ED team working on the actual aircraft and map, and could care less about the "extras". The manual in PDF format is fine for me and has a much smaller carbon-footprint than a printed manual.

I just really appreciate ED taking on and continuing this project, and don't want them to be burdened with anything else.

It would be great to have some in depth training videos however.

I don't care about the extras, but would like to be given the chance to participate in the skype meetings.

I can live without a backer t shirt..but would like to keep my alpha access and the DCS FW-190..as far as a stategy guide is concearned, to me there is nothing better than Pete Bonnani's "Art of the kill" Some very good fundamentals in there

I picked my pledge amount based on the fact that i should receive a printed manual (besides all the planes)... I bought the KA 50 manual and printed my own for the A10.. but if they need the funds elsewhere, i will print my own :D

i always, since the backer rewards side was up, selected i think 6times alpha access to make sure to not get any physical goods like a backer tshirt i would never wear anyway, as i felt, that RRG putting any money into these things had been a real waste of resources anyway...so i do not need them at all, and would rather see, the company using the available resources for development, to make this a success project.even more so now that ED is on doing it.

EDIT:just to be clear, the above was in regards of any physical items, i do care about my flyables selection and alpha access for the planes.

The most important factor is that Eagle Dynamics are able to complete the project without the added complication of expensive extras.

At the $250 level I receive 6 aircraft which is great value on it's own.

I really don't need the second set of keys for each aircraft.

The poster and alpha access are not something that I'm interested in, and although it would have been nice to have a DCS T-Shirt, I'd rather see the money going into game development.

The Strategy manual seems difficult, you can just print out a copy of "In Pursuit".

The printed aircraft manuals were one of the main attractions, but again I'd rather see the resources going towards the final release.

The only issue that remains is to find a substitute reward for anybody who pledged at one of the higher tiers. One idea could be a discount, or maybe free keys, for future aircraft releases. The VEAO Warbirds Collection has some definite possibilities there!

Thanks again to Eagle Dynamics for keeping this dream alive.

In this order....

$60 level

My hopes are

1. DCS WWII will be completed

2. That the Spit and P-47 will be added at some time

3. D-Day map added

4. I would like a T-shirt, but not to the exclusion of the above.

Steve

The important stuff here are:

* The planes

* The Normandy scenario

* Alfa+beta access

* Map SDK

I pledged only some 120USD and flyable P-47 in my PC is my wish, Fw and Bf (especially human controled) will be welcome as a targets for my P-47 guns :).

I do not need any extras like T-shirts, posters...

I pledged 80$ and would like to receive the 2 promised hardcopied airplane manuals. In my opinion, these manuals are very important, in order to fully understand and master your airplane, given the high level of realism of the cockpits, FM, DM, in this Sim. Long documents are not to be read on the screen. And even after having studied carefully, you should keep them close to you, pilot, while flying, for quick checkings.

Had ED sent the definitive version to a professional printing workshop to be printed in numbers (specially knowing the exact amount of units required) with simple o-wire binding, the cost would not be too expensive. And we do not need the documents urgently so they can be mailed in advance as a non-urgent parcel, so again this cost would be affordable. This IMHO.

Sorry for the grammar mistakes, English is not my mother tongue.

I'm in for over a $100.00 I would gladly switch the manuals for a late Alpha/Early Beta of the 6 flyables.

+1. Me too.

For the amount I invested the important things to me are the aircraft and map. The physical items (t shirt, posters, manuals) are not really required and not why I backed the project. I can definitely live without them. Coming from the Il-2 series, this project was a good first step to recreate the WWII environment so I invested in this endeavor to help ensure it comes to fruition. I would like to see 90+ players battling it out in a multiplayer server just like in the golden days of Il-2... That was a blast.

My thoughts on this:

The rewards offered for the kickstarter funding are awesome and I'd like to have them. This is unless it puts ED in financial trouble. DCS is my favorite SIM and I backed the project because I am really keen on it. I'm happy it will be continued after what ever happened with RRG, but if the rewards somehow affect ED and therefor possibly ending the future of DCS is not worth it.

I'm more than happy to not have the physical rewards (gimmicks) but it would be nice to have our support recognized in some small way that will not tug at the ED purse strings too much. Something like the loyalty credits would be fine by me.

I wouldn't mind not having T-shirts. But I 'd like to get the hard copy of the manual for the Spitfire.

Unless this put financial strain on ED, in which case I could do without it.

I 'd like to have alpha & beta access, given that it doesn't cost to the project development. Even if this means that I have to sign a NDA.

What I 'd like to see the most however, is the SDK being released to the community. What DCS lack the most right now is maps. Releasing the SDK to talented persons will make me optimistic about the future of this sim. Even if moderate quality maps are made, I 'd consider them a welcome addition.

Sith,

This is a pretty interesting discussion. Many angles to consider.

My first question is: Do you guys have access to the backer website and are you able to view what people have chosen for their rewards? I'm just curious if you could use that to gauge where peoples interests were along with the feedback here. I think most were so worried this whole thing might just vanish in the night, we'd be happy just to see the sim actually become a reality now. The backer rewards were thrown around like they had unlimited resources and I guess we all wanted to believe they could handle it. I appreciate ED trying to pick up the pieces and honor what was promised...whether they are legally obligated or not.

As for me, early development perks were a big selling point and convinced me to pledge what I did. I'll admit I did have high hopes for the printed manuals, I envisioned them being printed on glossy paper, hard bound and taking the form of a true backer reward. Over time, one thing that worried me was that it might be a bad idea to distrubute them prior to ironing out issues and tweaks with each aircraft once they are released. So ultimately, I'd be fine with these being offered later and maybe a package purchase option? Aircraft + manual for people who want them.

I really don't have an interest in a printed strategy guide or a t-shirt reward.

The signed developer print is a bit bittersweet at this point, but if it was an option it would be very cool to have something from the guys that actually made it become a reality.

A custom aircraft skin is not a big deal either. There are plenty of custom skin options out there.

Alpha access IS important to me and defintely something I'd like to retain.

Having copies of all aircraft plus duplicates to gift out IS important as well.

And of course... The Skype development meeting holy grail has been an elusive sucker. When deciding which level to contribute this just really appealed to me and I thought having a behind the scenes peek at the progress and some solid information on how things were going sounded great to me. So this is where it gets tricky, as much as I'd like to say I'm happy the money is going to a good cause, if this specific reward does not become availible there would need to be some sort of equivalent offer to keep me a happy customer. ED partnered with RRG, and it looks like we all got burned by this experience to some degree.

To end on a positive note, we have an incredibly helpful and talented community and it is refreshing to hear people focused on the most important things like making sure the sim itself keep moving forward.