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Old 11-09-2018, 06:01 PM   #1
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I live in the Toronto area and am looking for a place to be able to actually handle a higher end HOTAS before buying it. If I knew exactly what I wanted I would buy online. I am prepared to travel to nearby Buffalo if need be but would prefer not.
Firstly, any product recommendations besides Thrustmaster's Warthog which I've seen at Bestbuy.


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Old 11-09-2018, 06:56 PM   #2
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In the "mainstream", the Warthog is the best you can buy.
Beyond that, you're talking more boutique. The obvious groups being VKB and VPC (Virpil). There's plenty of threads about both here, so go have a read.
You'll not get the chance to touch one, but there's definitely good videos giving them a good once over.
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Old 11-09-2018, 07:02 PM   #3
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Maybe read this thread: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=223342
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Old 11-09-2018, 07:30 PM   #4
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Thanks to both of you, I'll certainly give the link and more a read...unfortunately in Toronto there doesn't seem to be an abundance of higher end retail product.
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With VKB or VPC the only chance is that you will find some flightsimmer nearby who already has those.
Logitechs (old Saiteks) and Thrustmasters should be easy to find. Worst case, search for online store with "no questions asked" return policy so you can buy online and return the joystick if you don't like it.
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Old 11-09-2018, 08:44 PM   #6
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With VKB or VPC the only chance is that you will find some flightsimmer nearby who already has those.
Logitechs (old Saiteks) and Thrustmasters should be easy to find. Worst case, search for online store with "no questions asked" return policy so you can buy online and return the joystick if you don't like it.

I've finished reading the link, lots of good info and it seems to agree with you...I'll never get the chance to see one in a store. As I mentioned there, you need to have a lot of faith in a product to buy online with near double the cost in Canada to import.
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Old 11-09-2018, 09:36 PM   #7
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I live in the Toronto area and am looking for a place to be able to actually handle a higher end HOTAS before buying it. If I knew exactly what I wanted I would buy online. I am prepared to travel to nearby Buffalo if need be but would prefer not.
Firstly, any product recommendations besides Thrustmaster's Warthog which I've seen at Bestbuy.


Thank you.

I've priced out some of the other products (I bought the TM WH second hand years ago but looking to replace my stick) and you are looking easily at double cost to import equivalent products import to Canada.



Virpil controller and throttle setup that is equivalent to the TM WH setup will cost over 1000$ CND BEFORE shipping!!!

VKB does not have a separate throttle so again you will need to spend much more then you would for the TM WH.


Not to mention any issue you have with these product will require you to reship back to them and pay for shipping back to you (waiting weeks in between and costing easily 100-200$)



But in the end it doesn't matter as both of these companies are currently completely sold out,. These are "boutique"manufacturers most likely run from a small shop or even someone's house, that may or may not be open next year.



So your only real choice (and best choice in my opinion) is to go for the TM Warthog if you live in Canada.
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Old 11-09-2018, 11:11 PM   #8
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I've priced out some of the other products (I bought the TM WH second hand years ago but looking to replace my stick) and you are looking easily at double cost to import equivalent products import to Canada.



Virpil controller and throttle setup that is equivalent to the TM WH setup will cost over 1000$ CND BEFORE shipping!!!

VKB does not have a separate throttle so again you will need to spend much more then you would for the TM WH.


Not to mention any issue you have with these product will require you to reship back to them and pay for shipping back to you (waiting weeks in between and costing easily 100-200$)



But in the end it doesn't matter as both of these companies are currently completely sold out,. These are "boutique"manufacturers most likely run from a small shop or even someone's house, that may or may not be open next year.



So your only real choice (and best choice in my opinion) is to go for the TM Warthog if you live in Canada.

Dagger71 unfortunately I have to agree with everything you say.
I import from the U.S. for business and am well aware of the $
I just can't get my head around buying a stick without first handling it...not when you have to go through what we do at the price we will pay.
I fly the F-18...heard Thrustmaster has a F-18 stick coming out.

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Old 11-09-2018, 11:27 PM   #9
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the TM stick will have less buttons than the warthog stick though. So I'm going to stick with the WH stick. When I bought mine off kijiji I went to the guys's house and he had it setup to try out first. I was blown away how big both are and the die cast metal give it a really authentic feel. Other than trackir, this was easily the best investment for sim gaming.



I'm waiting for black friday to see if it will go on sale. Bestbuy, staples and walmart all sell from their websites any other PC store will easily charge >100$ more for the set.

I'm just looking for the stick so currently 349$ BB and 329$ walmart hoping it drops sub 300$ in the coming weeks. But you should be able to get both for around 500$



Currently best price in Canada is Walmart for 549$, for the cheapest route and save you HUNDREDS of dollars over importing anything else.
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the TM stick will have less buttons than the warthog stick though. So I'm going to stick with the WH stick. When I bought mine off kijiji I went to the guys's house and he had it setup to try out first. I was blown away how big both are and the die cast metal give it a really authentic feel. Other than trackir, this was easily the best investment for sim gaming.



I'm waiting for black friday to see if it will go on sale. Bestbuy, staples and walmart all sell from their websites any other PC store will easily charge >100$ more for the set.

I'm just looking for the stick so currently 349$ BB and 329$ walmart hoping it drops sub 300$ in the coming weeks. But you should be able to get both for around 500$



Currently best price in Canada is Walmart for 549$, for the cheapest route and save you HUNDREDS of dollars over importing anything else.



My best investment was the Oculus Rift!


When you say "the TM stick will have less buttons than the warthog stick" doesn't TM make the Warthog or were you referring to some other TM product?


How come you're buying a second stick?


Did you have stiction issues with your first j-stick or throttle? That's my concern!


I currently am using the Saitek X52 Pro which has served its purpose very well. I'm looking for greater control in the movements of both the stick and throttle...what's your thoughts there?
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