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Old 09-16-2020, 07:31 PM   #71
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Yes, it's also possible they will make it to the A-10A as well. As well, you might see these changes before the A-10C II is released.

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Old 09-17-2020, 06:07 AM   #72
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Dear all,

Based on feedback from legitimage SMEs and verifiable data, we have updated the the flight dynamics:

1- Buffet and wingrock no longer set in right at chopped tone. You can now retain nose authority at initial chopped tone. However, if you were to continue to increase AoA while in chopped tone, you eventually get buffet, wingrock, and stall.

2- Available G before chopped tone was increased by 1 G. As such, if you encountered chopped tone at 2 G, it will now manifest at 3 G under the same condition.

Together, we and the SMEs believe the A-10C will fly in a more realistic manner with improved performance.

Kind regards,
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Its taken what 8+ years... man i'm just so happy right now; a big thanks to Wags and Habu for making this fix happen. After all the years of threads to finally, essentially be vindicated and to get a more accurate FM that will be more fun as well. The wait was long but the results should be worth it.
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Old 09-17-2020, 07:47 AM   #73
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Its taken what 8+ years... man i'm just so happy right now; a big thanks to Wags and Habu for making this fix happen. After all the years of threads to finally, essentially be vindicated and to get a more accurate FM that will be more fun as well. The wait was long but the results should be worth it.
It's a simulation and can always be better somewhere, ED could work on it for ever. It's still the best simulation of the A10 before (10 years ago) or after these upgrades. It's still now the best overall complete combat simulation aircraft on the sim market to this day without these upgrades (10 years).
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Old 09-17-2020, 08:36 AM   #74
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Dear all,

Based on feedback from legitimage SMEs and verifiable data, we have updated the the flight dynamics:

1- Buffet and wingrock no longer set in right at chopped tone. You can now retain nose authority at initial chopped tone. However, if you were to continue to increase AoA while in chopped tone, you eventually get buffet, wingrock, and stall.

2- Available G before chopped tone was increased by 1 G. As such, if you encountered chopped tone at 2 G, it will now manifest at 3 G under the same condition.

Together, we and the SMEs believe the A-10C will fly in a more realistic manner with improved performance.

Kind regards,
Wags
I have to correct p.2 a bit: G-load (CL vs AoA) and chopped tone (vs AoA) relations were not changed as they were correct, but buffeting at low Mach numbers was shifted to post-stall region. High Mach buffeting starts now exactly with stall. So, now the piloting at near-stall AoA is way more pleasant adding about 0.2-0.3 g in comparison to the most precise piloting before the changes.

The first diagram is a V-g diagram of maximum g turn before changes in buffeting were applied. (V-g diagram is a recorded history of IAS and load factor plotted not versus time, but g is plotted vs V for the same moment).

The moving average shows the average g and, thus, the overall turning ability.

This test requires a lot of efforts to hold the plane at the edge of lift capacity.

The changed buffeting allows to easily keep pre-stall AoA (see the second chart for the same weight and altitude)
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I have to correct p.2 a bit: G-load (CL vs AoA) and chopped tone (vs AoA) relations were not changed as they were correct, but buffeting at low Mach numbers was shifted to post-stall region. High Mach buffeting starts now exactly with stall. So, now the piloting at near-stall AoA is way more pleasant adding about 0.2-0.3 g in comparison to the most precise piloting before the changes.

The first diagram is a V-g diagram of maximum g turn before changes in buffeting were applied. (V-g diagram is a recorded history of IAS and load factor plotted not versus time, but g is plotted vs V in the same moment).

The moving average shows the average g and, thus, the overall turning ability.

This test requires a lot of efforts to hold the plane at the edge of lift capacity.

The changed buffeting allows to easily keep pre-stall AoA (see the second chart for the same weight and altitude)
For a layman such as myself, second graph means far more consistent performance (not necessarily speed) in handling, and less "nursing" the stick while riding just on the edge of a stall and hoping for the best??
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Old 09-17-2020, 09:14 AM   #76
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For a layman such as myself, second graph means far more consistent performance (not necessarily speed) in handling, and less "nursing" the stick while riding just on the edge of a stall and hoping for the best??
Absolutely right. Although at the second graph the elevator was not shown, the AoA indirectly shows that the stick was almost frozen after a while. The graphs are time histories for the same tests V-g diagrams were shown for.
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