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Old 08-11-2017, 08:10 PM   #1
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Default So how does one beat the AI in the quick mission with 51?

Seems like an impossible feet. Their supposed to be average yet they fly like experts. I can get the first guy but the second guy Just wears me down until my engine blows or he gets one hit from 2000 meters away. They have unlimited energy and can go from stall to climbing like a rocket. It's like your fighting a UFO.


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Old 08-11-2017, 08:19 PM   #2
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Once again, the AI is using the SFM and not the flight model that a player uses, keep that in mind.

Also, the AI is very predictable, so observ it and learn their pattern, then you can think of a way on how to counter that maneuver.
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What is SFM?


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Standard Flight Model, the same flight model that is used in the MiG-29 so far
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Oh geese no wonder it flys like a rocket ship


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the AI never changes it's mind after deciding "nose flow" or "tailflow" (1 circle vs 2 circle fight). if it goes for noseflow (as it most often do) you go for tail flow and use that to your advantage.
as you propably know. in tail flow turn radius wins, in nose flow turn rate wins.

anyway thats how i get the 109 ai most often.
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However.......You can still beat it. Start out fighting it with less than 50% fuel in your Mustang, put the AI skill level at it's lowest, load it up with full fuel, and start with the Dora (was easiest for me anyway).
You will still lose several of the battles but will start to feel the edge you have gained.
After a short time, the difference in your and the AI's performance through changing settings will start to be apparent. This will give you time during the fights to realize your turning radius, stall speeds, and general abilities as a whole. When you are fighting the AI at it's full capabilities, it gives you absolutely no chance to do anything but run like he!!.
Beginners need to be challenged, not beaten to death. As you keep fighting the AI with these settings, you will start winning more than losing. And then you can start to fiddle with the degree of skill the AI has.
It takes some time but it works. I started out by getting killed 9 out of 10 fights. I now regularly beat AI aircraft 3/4 of the time. I don't really dogfight much and still have advanced that far.
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here are 2 tracks against the mighty 109 AI Exellent.
apologies about the zip file, they were just over 5mb limit for tracks so i had to zip them.

crappy shooting in the -E one, i had so many opportunities to kill him but i think i got the moral victory still as i hit him, got his aileron and some other hits, and he didn't hit me once. prepared to be bored as it takes ages as he runs out of fuel (150liters on both aircraft). but it still shows the tactics that work against the ai, so it might have some educational value..?

it's hard to shoot head on against the sniper ai, but on the other one i got him properly
one must just remember to not be 100% head on to survive against the sniper ai.

you'll see that even against the AI ACE it's possible to hold your own in the P-51. just remember, turn radius wins in 2 circle fight, and start your turns when he's slowest in his turn/climb. dont try to engage with every pass, wait for the golden opportunity

it's not easy i tell you, but it's the only thing i do offline in dcs, and im pretty seasoned against the 109 AI Exellent.
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File Type: zip vs 109 ace cold -E.zip (5.69 MB, 14 views)

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here's the mission if you want to try it out but i warn you, you go against 109 ace ai that comes for you from 2 kilometers, and you start from ground with cold engine, hehe, just to make it interesting
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Old 08-15-2017, 05:27 AM   #10
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Not sure if you had a mixup there, but 1 circle fight is the one where smaller turn radius wins, and 2 circle fight requires greater turn rate.

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