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Old 07-15-2019, 04:43 PM   #31
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Can someone tell me the differences between GR.1 and IDS? I thought they were the same version with different nomenclatures.
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Old 07-15-2019, 06:37 PM   #32
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Well, to keep it in short, I guess it's well explained here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=244753 ... have a look to those posts by QuiGon, for example.


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Old 07-16-2019, 07:26 AM   #33
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Can someone tell me the differences between GR.1 and IDS? I thought they were the same version with different nomenclatures.
Sure: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php...4&postcount=70
In short: IDS (Interdiction Strike) is the interdiction (ground attack) variant of the Tornado while GR.1 is the british designation for their first version (meaning: not upgraded) of this variant.
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Old 07-17-2019, 08:06 AM   #34
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Can someone tell me the differences between GR.1 and IDS? I thought they were the same version with different nomenclatures.
Hey, I don't know all of them, but a few.

First you have to understand that the British like to use their own way of designation.

Example: Take a Volkswagen Golf, generation three (1993-1998 or so).
In Germany, people will say "Golf three".
In the UK people say something like "Golf Mk. three" (Mk. stands for mark)
I understand it as a way of clearly stating the generation of something.

The GR1 is their first iteration of an IDS Tornado, or Tornado in genreal, because the row is like that: GR1, F2, F3, GR4.
So in full something like "GR1 IDS", where the "GR" more or less stands for the role "IDS" (InterDiction Strike).
Its their way of describing the role, like the US with F-111, A-10, SR-71, and all those letters as role designation.

Now to the differences.
The planes were very similar across the nations in the early days.
One big difference was the additional fuel tank the British GR1s had in the fin (vertical stabilizer).
As of my knowledge it holds approximately 500kg of extra fuel, so the British could hold up to 5300kg whereas the other two nations birds were at 4800kg of internal fuel.

Another difference was the SMS (Stores Management System, where you configure and select the stores) where Germany had a "digital" one and the British birds had a pretty easy/standard one

A third notably difference is the "Laser Range Finder & Marked Target Seeker" (LRMTS).
Its the right hand sensor (Note that the FLIR on the left side came only with the GR4) and does what it says.
It was not able to designate a target for a guided bomb run.

There are possibly other A/C specific differences, for example the British later on used two small stub-pylons per inboard wing station, whereas the other nations used only one per side.

And then there is the different stores of course.
The British used dual carriers for their iron bombs, so they could fly with 8 instead of 4, or 5.
They sometimes used bigger external fuel tanks (2250L vs. 1500L), although Germany had those big ones as "single use, war time, drop tanks", but never used them as of my knowledge.
The UK had a target designation pod quite some time earlier than the other nations. The TIALD was operational used in the 90s already.
The list goes on.
I guess the different stores which were used are already stated by QuiGon and are also described on wikipedia.

https://www.tornadosig.com/variants.html
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Old 07-17-2019, 08:36 AM   #35
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>Another difference was the SMS (Stores Management System, where you configure and select the stores) where Germany had a "digital" one and the British birds had a pretty easy/standard one

Not "pretty easy' according to the book I'm reading at the moment "Tornado Over the Tigris" he frequently describes how over complicated it is and how it is too easy to mess up the settings in the short time between IP and the target and not have the bomb release.
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Old 07-17-2019, 10:37 AM   #36
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The British also had their own EW fit, they used Sky Shadow Jamming pod and a Boz Chaff/flare pod.


Also I think the ADV version was one of the first Jets to be upgraded with a towed radar decoy
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Old 07-17-2019, 07:22 PM   #37
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Thanks guys!
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Old 07-18-2019, 11:22 PM   #38
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sorry to intervene, but do we have any indication that Heatblur will do the Tornado next? I really hope for that to be true, but is there any clue for that thread to exist?
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You know its only a matter of time...
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