Black Sea Region Theater?

Why isn't the whole Black Sea Region being developed as a map? They used to have the Crimean peninsula and that was just abandoned. There seems to be a lot of potential for this whole area...

Back in the days of 32 bit, they couldn't include it all due to memory address limitations. When they added Eastern Georgia they cut Crimea.

Maybe it will come back someday.

If I remember correctly there was an airfield on the southern coast of the Black Sea as well.

ED have said before they won't, because of political reasons.

i would rather see the map extend south and east to open up scenarios around the caspian and Nagorno karabakh

A couple airports in Turkey on the Caucuses map would be nice...

ED have said before they won't, because of political reasons.

Can you point to a source on that, that seems absurd, and possibly just an excuse.

Can you point to a source on that' date=' that seems absurd, and possibly just an excuse.[/quote']

 

Indeed, it is quite absurd that politics is the reason why were not seeing Crimea, though I have seen that one pop-up a few times before...

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If I remember correctly there was an airfield on the southern coast of the Black Sea as well.

That was actually a mod that placed Merzifon AB on the map. The reasons for the exclusion have varied over the years. The original reason bandied about was copyright infringement threats from Ubisoft (with whom ED partnered in producing the original series located in Crimea). Later the reason given was the limitations of the system (Matt Wagner 2008). And, most recently, since the Russian takeover in Crimea, the reason heard is "politics".

Some, all, or none may still be true. I'd be glad to get Crimea back if it were with the level of detail contained in the original. Without that (and even with it), it's a lot like flying around the Taman Peninsula above Anapa. Pretty flat and wide open except for a line of hills along part of the southern shore. OTOH, it would still be an expansion of terrain. So these days I have mixed feelings about it.

I just don't buy the politics reason, it has nothing to do with modelling a geographic region, hell google earth models/maps everything and no one is complaining about that....

I just don't buy the politics reason' date=' it has nothing to do with modelling a geographic region, hell google earth models/maps everything and no one is complaining about that....[/quote']

OTOH, Google Earth isn't a Russian company based in Moscow.

No, but why should it matter in any way, the US government doesn't tell google to not map Afganistan or Iraq or Syria, it's just laughable as a reason.

Can you point to a source on that' date=' that seems absurd, and possibly just an excuse.[/quote']

 

They've since edited the comment on FB, but I can confirm it was there and what it said.

 

It's either to do with ED being a Russian company, or a contractual hold over from the earlier Flaming Cliffs / LOMAC which had it, but was published by Ubisoft (EU) / 1C (RU).

 

Doesn't matter either way, we'll never be told the real reason and they've been clear we're not getting it anyway. Case closed.

OTOH, Google Earth isn't a Russian company based in Moscow.

And checkmate :D

.... and to repeat myself for Pedro's benefit....

"No, but why should it matter in any way, the US government doesn't tell google to not map Afganistan or Iraq or Syria, it's just laughable as a reason."

The political reason is just plain stupid, by that reasoning, we wouldn´t be able to fly sims in any part of the world in conflict.

DCS doesn't require any reason to model OR to not model any particular regions other than Economics and Necessity to achieve DCS's overall plan.

They are providing multiple landscape and geographic maps.

How much area does each need to be ? And does more area mean more options or just more of the same ?

It doesn't matter what DCS's reasons are.

The fact that this company is in Russia does mean they can't make the whole map, nor give us clickable modern Russian airplanes. the Russian government could shut ED down anytime they want. I believe that they would if ED didn't do exactly as they say...every place in the world doesn't enjoy the same freedoms, sad to say...

The Black Sea map and the Crimean could be published by or under the Fighter Collection which is a partner of ED. I suppose all aircraft could also.

Is hardware limitation an issue? Isn't it just the part of the terrain around the aircraft that gets loaded into memory at any given time? Or would it increase the system load to expand the map?

The fact that this company is in Russia does mean they can't make the whole map, nor give us clickable modern Russian airplanes. the Russian government could shut ED down anytime they want. I believe that they would if ED didn't do exactly as they say...every place in the world doesn't enjoy the same freedoms, sad to say...

------ED better move to Iceland, Swiss or Czech:D

I don't think that Russia is what USA perceived it in the 60s.

The FM of Su27/33 should be far more strategic than some villages around Black Sea.

The best reason we don't have a bigger area around Black Sea must be a simpler one. Resources/Benefit.