WildBillKelsoe Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Latest open beta, I get the Lasing, give IN, then as waypoint set to AUTO by WPDSG, the weapon falls a few feet short of a supposedly laser designated by AFAC MQ-1 target. Video to follow soon. Please advise AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted June 23, 2019 ED Team Share Posted June 23, 2019 Hi WildBillKelsoe, If you have a track we can take a look, I cant say I have noticed this myself. I think a few feet maybe within margin of error, but that is just a guess on my part. Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harker Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 It should fall on the laser spot. AFAIK, you have to also say "Laser On" in order for the JTAC/AFAC to actually lase the target. The vCVW-17 is looking for Hornet and Tomcat pilots and RIOs. Join the vCVW-17 Discord. F/A-18C, F-15E, AV-8B, F-16C, JF-17, A-10C/CII, M-2000C, F-14, AH-64D, BS2, UH-1H, P-51D, Sptifire, FC3 - i9-13900K, 64GB @6400MHz RAM, 4090 Strix OC, Samsung 990 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBillKelsoe Posted June 23, 2019 Author Share Posted June 23, 2019 I did order "LASER ON" Got "LASING, RESPOND" Ordered "Spot" then "IN from .." Got "Cleared hot" This means the laser was firing and turned on. Plus the F6 view shows bomb correcting towards target. AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted June 23, 2019 ED Team Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) Just checked again and all seems ok here. Edited June 23, 2019 by BIGNEWY Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift. Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 It sounds like you have the laser firing before you release the bombs. The tracking mechanism of pavewayII isnt very efficient and will bleed energy like crazy making the bomb fall short if the laser is on the whole time. To avoid this its best to drop the bomb and call laser on within the last 10-15seconds until impact. 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Py Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 They also work best when dropped from a high altitude, what altitude were you dropping from? I would suggest at least 10,000ft, but up to about 20,000ft is better. That gets the bomb on a nice steep angle for better accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBillKelsoe Posted June 23, 2019 Author Share Posted June 23, 2019 Believe it or not it was above 20000 feet. I was between 24-27Kft the whole box pattern. Could winds at 8 m/s do this? AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toutenglisse Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 That's why a track would be better to have your exact conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theinmigrant Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 It sounds like you have the laser firing before you release the bombs. The tracking mechanism of pavewayII isnt very efficient and will bleed energy like crazy making the bomb fall short if the laser is on the whole time. To avoid this its best to drop the bomb and call laser on within the last 10-15seconds until impact. Thats onyl true for the A10c. In the hornet (dont know why) the bomb will only start looking for laser and manouvering after it's achieved a good flight path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippis Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Thats onyl true for the A10c. In the hornet (dont know why) the bomb will only start looking for laser and manouvering after it's achieved a good flight path. That should probably be reported and fixed then. ❧ ❧ Inside you are two wolves. One cannot land; the other shoots friendlies. You are a Goon. ❧ ❧ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theinmigrant Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 That should probably be reported and fixed then. Its correct behaviour in the hornet. An LGB should start its tracking after a while, once its nose its pointing in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippis Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Its correct behaviour in the hornet. An LGB should start its tracking after a while, once its nose its pointing in the right direction. Yes? So it should be reported and fixed so it's the right behaviour everywhere. Also, you say you “don't know why”, what are you referring to? Why it's working like that in the Hornet? Why they don't have one bomb logic that is used for all instances of that bomb? That said, though, I'm not sure that's an entirely accurate description. The LGBs in the A-10C also only start tracking once they point in the right direction — they can't pick up the laser if it's outside the sensor LOS. If that's not what's happening in the Hornet, then that's not the right behaviour either. ❧ ❧ Inside you are two wolves. One cannot land; the other shoots friendlies. You are a Goon. ❧ ❧ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harker Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Thats onyl true for the A10c. In the hornet (dont know why) the bomb will only start looking for laser and manouvering after it's achieved a good flight path.I've been dropping GBI-12s with the A-10C recently and they only pick up the laser when the laser seeker is pointing in the general direction of the lased target. It's correct behavior like that. What would be interesting is to test the Hornet in MP, with someone in an A-10C or Harrier providing the designation. That would determine if it's a problem with the JTAC or not. The vCVW-17 is looking for Hornet and Tomcat pilots and RIOs. Join the vCVW-17 Discord. F/A-18C, F-15E, AV-8B, F-16C, JF-17, A-10C/CII, M-2000C, F-14, AH-64D, BS2, UH-1H, P-51D, Sptifire, FC3 - i9-13900K, 64GB @6400MHz RAM, 4090 Strix OC, Samsung 990 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theinmigrant Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Yes? So it should be reported and fixed so it's the right behaviour everywhere. Also, you say you “don't know why”, what are you referring to? Why it's working like that in the Hornet? Why they don't have one bomb logic that is used for all instances of that bomb? That said, though, I'm not sure that's an entirely accurate description. The LGBs in the A-10C also only start tracking once they point in the right direction — they can't pick up the laser if it's outside the sensor LOS. If that's not what's happening in the Hornet, then that's not the right behaviour either. JDAMs also dont fly the same in the hornet than in the hog. Maybe im wrong though. And no, the LGBs in the a10c can start tracking right after pickle based on DSMS settings. I've been dropping GBI-12s with the A-10C recently and they only pick up the laser when the laser seeker is pointing in the general direction of the lased target. It's correct behavior like that. What would be interesting is to test the Hornet in MP, with someone in an A-10C or Harrier providing the designation. That would determine if it's a problem with the JTAC or not. My observation is that the lgb dropped in the hornet start tracking very very late (good) and the ones dropped in the a10c depends on settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippis Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) JDAMs also dont fly the same in the hornet than in the hog. Maybe im wrong though. Ok… so another thing that should probably be reported and fixed, then. And no, the LGBs in the a10c can start tracking right after pickle based on DSMS settings.…assuming they're pointing in the right direction and picking up the laser. Are you suggesting that the Hornet's don't, because that definitely does not sound like the correct behaviour. That would mean that they're designed to not work in many instances, which would be a pretty horrible flaw. Edited June 23, 2019 by Tippis ❧ ❧ Inside you are two wolves. One cannot land; the other shoots friendlies. You are a Goon. ❧ ❧ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theinmigrant Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Ok… so another thing that should probably be reported and fixed, then. …assuming they're pointing in the right direction and picking up the laser. Are you suggesting that the Hornet's don't, because that definitely does not sound like the correct behaviour. That would mean that they're designed to not work in many instances, which would be a pretty horrible flaw. You are mixing things up. In one hand we have what is currently in dcs and on the other hand we have what dcs should have. Two different animals. All i said to you was that asking jtac to lase after dropping the bomb in the hornet isnt a good practice and wont do any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippis Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 You are mixing things up. In one hand we have what is currently in dcs and on the other hand we have what dcs should have. Two different animals. No, I'm simply trying to get a clear answer as to which you believe is which, since that rather determines which one needs to be fixed. ❧ ❧ Inside you are two wolves. One cannot land; the other shoots friendlies. You are a Goon. ❧ ❧ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theinmigrant Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 No, I'm simply trying to get a clear answer as to which you believe is which, since that rather determines which one needs to be fixed. Thats the problem, I dont really know how the militaries build an LGB. I was pointing out that within dcs there are different behaviours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted June 23, 2019 ED Team Share Posted June 23, 2019 Guys, we really require a track in these cases, it's hard to tell what's going on without it. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBillKelsoe Posted June 24, 2019 Author Share Posted June 24, 2019 OK here is a video of the issue AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBillKelsoe Posted June 24, 2019 Author Share Posted June 24, 2019 and here is a tacview of the whole mission. you can see it all LGBs are landing right under the T-80U tank but no effect is visible from the top. Maybe the penetration model has changed? BTW the flying GBU-12 is a bug. I can share this video . Never have I seen a weapon released downwards flying upwards like a glider..Tacview-20190622-220846-DCS-325 Company Day Advance - Kutaisi.zip.zip AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted June 24, 2019 ED Team Share Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) Hi WildBillKelsoe I will take a look at the video and tacview this morning. We really need to see a track, so we can try to reproduce, as I don't seem to be having the issue myself. Use the paveway mission, you will be straight into the action and make the track shorter. Let me know what mission you are using and I will check that also. Edited June 24, 2019 by BIGNEWY Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBillKelsoe Posted June 24, 2019 Author Share Posted June 24, 2019 Hey Newy, OK I shall fly it and post the track in a few minutes. AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift. Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 How much wind is there in this mission? 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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