A little May update about MiG-19P

First tests of the gunsights:

ASP-5 Optical gunsight

AR-18 Radar gunsights (at the center of the ASP-5 gunsight).

This test is to check basic functionality.

Comparison with the real gunsights:

I wish we’d receive updates that often until release. :thumbup:

I wish we’d receive updates that often until release. :thumbup:

This might help you out

https://razbamsimulations.com/index.php/dcs/mig-19-project

Awesome, thank you. I was not aware of that page.

Edit: If i may add one observation about that page, the updates should be dated and sorted by date, it seem they are not. It would be better that way IMHO.

Great footage!

Is the radar working or is it WIP?

If the MiG-21's radar not so good, how bad is the MiG-19's? :smilewink:

Great footage!

Is the radar working or is it WIP?

If the MiG-21's radar not so good, how bad is the MiG-19's? :smilewink:

The MiG-19P's radar is a basic gunnery radar. It has a 12 Km (6.5 nm) detection range and a lock range from 2 to 4 Km (1 to 2.2 nm).

Ground return makes it unusable below 2000 m (6500 feet) AGL. You start getting ground returns at 3500 m (11500 feet) AGL.

Remember that this is a 1st generation radar.

First tests of the gunsights:

 

ASP-5 Optical gunsight

 

AR-18 Radar gunsights (at the center of the ASP-5 gunsight).

 

This test is to check basic functionality.

 

 

Comparison with the real gunsights:

Looks good. Can't wait! Will we have it before Christmas? :)

The MiG-19P's radar is a basic gunnery radar. It has a 12 Km (6.5 nm) detection range and a lock range from 2 to 4 Km (1 to 2.2 nm).

 

Ground return makes it unusable below 2000 m (6500 feet) AGL. You start getting ground returns at 3500 m (11500 feet) AGL.

 

Remember that this is a 1st generation radar.

Yeah, I thought so.

Don't know why they ever bothered to put the radar there in the first place. Costs money and not really necessary. I mean, WWll pilots managed to score plenty of kills and I don't think they ever complained about being unable to estimate the distance to the bandit, or having a hard time hitting him, etc.

Probably it's something to help the average pilot get some kills. After all, they weren't all aces. So maybe that's how it all started. But again, that's just my guess on why the radar.

Yeah, I thought so.

Don't know why they ever bothered to put the radar there in the first place. Costs money and not really necessary. I mean, WWll pilots managed to score plenty of kills and I don't think they ever complained about being unable to estimate the distance to the bandit, or having a hard time hitting him, etc.

Probably it's something to help the average pilot get some kills. After all, they weren't all aces. So maybe that's how it all started. But again, that's just my guess on why the radar.

It is a big help. The F-86 Sabre racked a lot of kills thanks to its gunnery radar. Do not dismiss it because it has many failings compared to current ones.

Gunnery radars, when they were introduced, were a big game changer in aerial combat and everybody rushed to put one aboard their aircrafts.

First tests of the gunsights:

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ASP-5 Optical gunsight

 

(Snip)

AR-18 Radar gunsights (at the center of the ASP-5 gunsight).

 

(Snip)

This test is to check basic functionality.

 

 

Comparison with the real gunsights:

That looks GREAT!

Quick question, how do you designate in the 19P? Is it like the Saber where you sight the target and depress a lock button or does it range things automatically in front?

Yeah, I thought so.

Don't know why they ever bothered to put the radar there in the first place. Costs money and not really necessary. I mean, WWll pilots managed to score plenty of kills and I don't think they ever complained about being unable to estimate the distance to the bandit, or having a hard time hitting him, etc.

Probably it's something to help the average pilot get some kills. After all, they weren't all aces. So maybe that's how it all started. But again, that's just my guess on why the radar.

I would like to point out: Many early radar implementations were for interceptions. As in intercepting things at altitude that are attempting to avoid detection or breach airspace. So while it may not be particularly helpful at low altitudes in a dogfight; at high altitudes in, for instance, bad weather or at night. That radar would be as good as gold :smilewink:

the radar equipped all weather interceptor is a direct descendant of ww2 night fighters. they are meant to attack targets that are using weather or nighttime -- in other words, exploiting poor visibility conditions to avoid engagements.

such is the mig-19p, which is why it has a secondary reflector displaying a targeting proxy to enable gunnery even in zero visibility conditions.

the mig-19p's primary purpose is to hunt down bombers under poor visibility, not to duke it out with enemy fighters -- that was the job of the lighter, radarless mig-19'S'.

The argument about the benefit of the radar being helpful at night or in bad weather conditions makes a lot of sense.

Thanks for the input.

the radar equipped all weather interceptor is a direct descendant of ww2 night fighters. they are meant to attack targets that are using weather or nighttime -- in other words, exploiting poor visibility conditions to avoid engagements.

such is the mig-19p, which is why it has a secondary reflector displaying a targeting proxy to enable gunnery even in zero visibility conditions.

 

the mig-19p's primary purpose is to hunt down bombers under poor visibility, not to duke it out with enemy fighters -- that was the job of the lighter, radarless mig-19'S'.

:thumbup:

On western side it was the Sabre Dog

https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_F-86D_Sabre

Night/ bad weather interceptions were probably challenging in these days :music_whistling:

As some have mentioned, the main purpose is to be able to intercept and destroy air assets at night or bad weather, where a day fighter would struggle.

The radar is able to search for targets from 12-9km distance and will automatically lock any aircraft within a 7 degrees cone at the distance of 4 to 3.5 km forward of the MiG-19. The RP-5 is able to lock while still searching (because it uses two radars), so it is kind of an old TWS system.

Interesting info, thanks. Basically boresight autolock?

As some have mentioned, the main purpose is to be able to intercept and destroy air assets at night or bad weather, where a day fighter would struggle.

 

The radar is able to search for targets from 12-9km distance and will automatically lock any aircraft within a 7 degrees cone at the distance of 4 to 3.5 km forward of the MiG-19. The RP-5 is able to lock while still searching (because it uses two radars), so it is kind of an old TWS system.

So old and so capable in a way. Veeery interesting.

Can't wait for the manual. As always, I read the manuals of my modules first and memorise what is necessary. So gather as much details as possibe, please :thumbup:

As some have mentioned, the main purpose is to be able to intercept and destroy air assets at night or bad weather, where a day fighter would struggle.

 

The radar is able to search for targets from 12-9km distance and will automatically lock any aircraft within a 7 degrees cone at the distance of 4 to 3.5 km forward of the MiG-19. The RP-5 is able to lock while still searching (because it uses two radars), so it is kind of an old TWS system.

That's neat. So it could track and intercept multiple targets at once.

Is this the same radar that could later guide beam-riding RS-1 missiles on later 19PM variants?

Interesting read about Flying and Fighting in the MiG-19 (in this case the chinese built F6)

https://hushkit.net/2017/10/30/flying-and-fighting-in-the-mig-19-in-conversation-with-wg-cdr-irfan-masum-part-1/

Hope we will get a PAK AF skin (even If not correct variant, and a PAF base in the Afghanistan map, that would be useful for the Sabre and a possible Mirage III too).

Interesting read about Flying and Fighting in the MiG-19 (in this case the chinese built F6)

 

https://hushkit.net/2017/10/30/flying-and-fighting-in-the-mig-19-in-conversation-with-wg-cdr-irfan-masum-part-1/

 

 

Hope we will get a PAK AF skin (even If not correct variant, and a PAF base in the Afghanistan map, that would be useful for the Sabre and a possible Mirage III too).

In case you did not know, Pakistan later rewired the F-6 so they could use the AIM-9B.

if only.

Already been asked and the answer was:

While fun, that option is completely unrealistic for operational aicraft. The SM-30 tests only involved a few S airframes and were totally cancelled thereafter.

Related to that there's Firmek's post:

It wasn't incorporated at all as the whole basic concept behind it was flown. The original goal was to launch fighters from mobile platforms that could be towed by trucks and set up pretty much in any place, in event of destruction of the runways. The problem is as far launching was possible (though dangerous) the planes wouldn’t had a place to land afterwards. This would be an expensive way to get the planes in the air. The program was cancel and didn't go further than the prototype stage.

Much more practical and actually implemented was to use road sections.

Here's the original thread: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=183372&page=19

In case you did not know, Pakistan later rewired the F-6 so they could use the AIM-9B.

I knew, SF2 taught me a lot about Cold War aviation.

Руль поворота у вас без триммера. Тщательней надо.

Как то так

amazing, what a beauty. . .